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Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

That was the thought that I just had, pondering life's imponderables. We who post in this thread, the armchair warriors who are currently lighting up the Internet, aren't important, as Kirk said in TUC. And as Spock said, we've outlived our usefulness. Doctor Who has always been a kids show, family entertainment at best, but aimed primarily at children. The original brief was edutainment, half education history adventures, half fantasy sci-fi.

Think about it. It's been 12 years since the show returned, that's twelve years in which boys and girls have hidden behind the sofa at the adventures of Eccleston, Tennant, Smith and Capaldi, and they have grown up with these Doctors, grown up with this particular storytelling style begun by Davies, and continued by Moffat. Those six to sixteen year olds have now been through school, college, started work, and started families of their own. That might explain some of the drop in ratings as kids outgrew the show and fell away, with fewer new fans compelled to join in a show that their older brothers and sisters raved about.

So now we have a new Doctor, a female in the role, and a new showrunner too. It's as radical a departure from the format as it was when Eccleston took on the role and reinvented it for the last generation. With any luck there will be a whole new generation of six to sixteen year old fans drawn in and enthralled with this reinvention of the character, who get to grow up with a strong, positive female role model to look up to. If the BBC do this right, this will be the start of a run of three or four female Doctors for the new audience to grow up with.
 
If there is ever a trans Doctor I fully expect a decent portion of the fanbase to suffer strokes at the same time.
In what way does the newest Doctor being female not constitute a trans Doctor? After millennia as a male, the Doctor becomes female. We don't know if this is a conscious choice during the regeneration or if it happens by chance, but other than not having to go through the "middleman" of the various medical professionals and treatments, the end result is basically the same, I should think.

Considering the Doctor didn't seen to really pay attention to his companions in any sort of sexual manner until Rose (probably from survivor's guilt post-war) and then having more or less some awakening through those years until Amy Pond quite blatantly point out his largely female companion list, and the Doctor starting to get married a bunch of times (that might have been River's fault). That is with species outside of his own, given the existence of Susan, the remarks about his family, and possibly his interactions with Romana.
Other than in "City of Death" there really wasn't much indication of any sort of relationship between the Doctor and Romana that wasn't basically a mentor-student interaction.

I suppose if it makes some feel better, there's always the explanation that this is something that only came with his special new cycle of regenerations that he got at the end of TOTD, and not something that was always possible (ignoring the fact we've seen other characters like the Master switch genders).
The Master received a new set of regenerations at the end of The Five Doctors.

Those are fat, OLD and Bald. I want to see a young 30 year old fat, balding female doctor who doesn't like to bath and wears a filthy bath robe....
So you basically want a female version of Arthur Dent?

We "technically" already have a Doctor-ish lady that travels through time and space doing what she wants like the Doctor does and having a companion.

Her name is Clara She's dead, but not. I think the Daleks and Time Lords fear her too now. (she's also freaking adorable).
Clara, the Mary Sue Who Will Not Die, is not any kind of "adorable."

Preference for a certain gender should only apply to the person you sleep with, not a character you watch. Applying it to anything else is absurd and a pathetic attempt at dodging sexism.
Sorry, but that's nonsense. I prefer that my dad be male; that doesn't mean I want to have sex with him, nor does it mean that I am denying equal rights to women or anyone else. Same as my preference for adopting female cats (more expensive to have spayed, but less difficult to care for in other ways). I may prefer female cats as pets, but I have zero interest in having sex with them (sleeping is another matter; on a cold winter night, a cat in the bed is as good as an extra blanket).

It's not objectively wrong as a scientific law to prefer one gender over another for a TV character. It's just an opinion, which we are all entitled to have.

(Yes, I'm aware that some here have expressed this opinion in some anti-social ways; however, that doesn't mean they're not entitled to prefer the Doctor to be played by a male actor)

Don't know if Romana got herself a TARDIS, or if she has the hitch rides in E-space to behave Doctorish.

As per the Doctor's instructions she spells her name FRED.
Romana has her own TARDIS because K-9 had the plans to build it saved in his memory banks.

The Doctor did not order her to spell her name as "Fred." Romana I said she would prefer to be called "Fred" rather than "Romana." Romana II, however, seems comfortable with the shortened form of her name and when she left the Doctor, one of the things she said was, "I've got to be my own Romana."

If Romana were to regenerate into a male body, the short form of the name would likely become "Romanus" - or maybe just skip the short form and go back to the long form.
 
If it's still a kid show why do they broadcast it at 7.30 pm in the evening?

As opposed to 7.30pm in the morning? :nyah:

Because most kids in the target age bracket are still up at 7.30pm on a weekend I suppose.
 
If it's still a kid show why do they broadcast it at 7.30 pm in the evening?

Saturday! Tradition, which we are all aiming to flout now when it comes to casting, has dictated that Saturday was always sport until the early evening. Grandstand from around 11 am after Swap Shop till 5:30 pm, when the news was, and then it was Rolf Harris introducing cartoons, followed by Doctor Who around 6 to half 6 for half an hour. The family entertainment slot has always been around half six to half eight on BBC 1 on Saturdays, loads of shows like Dr Who, Bugs, Crime Traveller, Randall and Hopkirk (reboot), Merlin and Atlantis have lived there, all family dramas.
 
Other than in "City of Death" there really wasn't much indication of any sort of relationship between the Doctor and Romana that wasn't basically a mentor-student interaction.

Haven't gotten to Romana's last season yet. I've put 80s era Who on hold while I try to finish the First and Third Doctor's stories.

Clara, the Mary Sue Who Will Not Die, is not any kind of "adorable."
Visually she's adorable.

If Romana were to regenerate into a male body, the short form of the name would likely become "Romanus" - or maybe just skip the short form and go back to the long form.

I'd still find it a fun nod for Romana to go by "Fred", as a male or female.

Via fact check on twitter.

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What about the audio Doctors? I am pretty sure there were more female Doctors to be found in Big Finish.
 
If there is ever a trans Doctor I fully expect a decent portion of the fanbase to suffer strokes at the same time.
Trans Doctor would be fantastic. That's why I hoped for someone like Eddie Izzard. But people are only so far open minded for a white woman...

Audiences get bored of seeing "more white men" all the time when reality is more diverse than that. So this is a lovely change.
Except for the white part. But after Brexit I suppose it has to represent the current culture.

Change can be scary. But, it's a fucking TV show.
Unfortunately "a fucking TV show" is more important when representing change than say real change with a qualified woman president.
 
Saturday! Tradition, which we are all aiming to flout now when it comes to casting, has dictated that Saturday was always sport until the early evening. Grandstand from around 11 am after Swap Shop till 5:30 pm, when the news was, and then it was Rolf Harris introducing cartoons, followed by Doctor Who around 6 to half 6 for half an hour. The family entertainment slot has always been around half six to half eight on BBC 1 on Saturdays, loads of shows like Dr Who, Bugs, Crime Traveller, Randall and Hopkirk (reboot), Merlin and Atlantis have lived there, all family dramas.

Aha, family dramas now. I don't speak english very well but isn't that something different?

But anyway, I think kids are only one of the target audiences and that Moffat didn't write his overly complicated convoluted story arcs with 9 year olds in mind. ;)
 
But anyway, I think kids are only one of the target audiences and that Moffat didn't write his overly complicated convoluted story arcs with 9 year olds in mind. ;)

Well, he used to say that the story had to be simple enough for adults to follow and complicated enough to hold children's interests!
 
Aha, family dramas now. I don't speak english very well but isn't that something different?

But anyway, I think kids are only one of the target audiences and that Moffat didn't write his overly complicated convoluted story arcs with 9 year olds in mind. ;)

Kids TV in the UK is defined as television that children watch alone, that adults raise their eyebrows at. Family entertainment is for broad audiences, child and adult, but Doctor Who in particular has always been written for children first, and it's just the quality of the writing, performances, and production values that has broadened the appeal to family audiences.
 
Kids TV in the UK is defined as television that children watch alone, that adults raise their eyebrows at. Family entertainment is for broad audiences, child and adult, but Doctor Who in particular has always been written for children first, and it's just the quality of the writing, performances, and production values that has broadened the appeal to family audiences.

I'm sure that the BBC and RTD etc. had in mind that there would be a substational sum of "old fans" who are adult now and would watch the show too.
And this "kid show" thing they only bring up, when it suits their position. At least that's my impression.

Well, he used to say that the story had to be simple enough for adults to follow and complicated enough to hold children's interests!

Really? Moffat said that?
Well, the conculsions of his story arcs turned out to be quite simple, yes. :D
 
Ah, the old "you have to tolerate my intolerance or you are intolerant" chestnut.

Here's the deal, snowflake...we don't have to agree with your asinine opinions or even allow the to go unchallenged. Yes, you have a "right" to share them as much as we have the right to share ours, but this whole "dumb libs don't tolerate me, smug ha ha because fail" line of thinking really hurts your brand. If that was the definition then tolerance would not exist.

But of course you knew that. You also don't really care about tolerance, because your thoughts.

We let you share your stupid, stupid, stupid thoughts. That's tolerance. We don't allow you to share those in a vacuum bereft of consequences. That's what "tolerance" is.

TL:DR: Look up the definition of "tolerate".

You've got one more chance before I start Godwinning this whole damned thread.

By definition, you are putting up with something. The implication is that you are allowing the existence in your presence of something you dislike. If you agreed with each other, it wouldn't be *tolerating* anything. All of this judgement goes against the entire principle of tolerance. Difference of thought is completely accecptable as long as it is within the constraints of the law. Anything else is self defeating and disingenuous. No one is psychic to know the reasonings behind someones feelings, decisions and opinions. To base judgement on assumptions and call it in the name of tolerance?
 
And this "kid show" thing they only bring up, when it suits their position. At least that's my impression.

They first "brought it up" when the show was commissioned back in 1963, and it's been part of the show's DNA ever since. Children grew up and stuck with the show, became fans, and retained 'ownership', which is why we still go on about 'our' Doctors years and decades after they regenerate. But it is a kids show. Sometimes it gets dumbed down outside of the family bracket which is when farting Slitheen and this happens...

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But a kids show aimed at a family audience is what it always has been and always will be. If you want adult (but juvenile and puerile) there's always Torchwood.
 
In what way does the newest Doctor being female not constitute a trans Doctor? After millennia as a male, the Doctor becomes female. We don't know if this is a conscious choice during the regeneration or if it happens by chance, but other than not having to go through the "middleman" of the various medical professionals and treatments, the end result is basically the same, I should think.
Trans means there is a mismatch between the brain and body. If she has a female body but she still identifies as male, then she could be considered trans.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. I prefer that my dad be male; that doesn't mean I want to have sex with him, nor does it mean that I am denying equal rights to women or anyone else. Same as my preference for adopting female cats (more expensive to have spayed, but less difficult to care for in other ways). I may prefer female cats as pets, but I have zero interest in having sex with them (sleeping is another matter; on a cold winter night, a cat in the bed is as good as an extra blanket).

It's not objectively wrong as a scientific law to prefer one gender over another for a TV character. It's just an opinion, which we are all entitled to have.

(Yes, I'm aware that some here have expressed this opinion in some anti-social ways; however, that doesn't mean they're not entitled to prefer the Doctor to be played by a male actor)
How much of that is based entirely just being used to something?
 
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