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Has nobody mentioned, this is the first story involving a Dalek that has no reference to the frickin' Time War? In any way, shape or form?

Didn't the Doctor say it was one the first dalek scouts sent from Skaro? Combine that with being in 3 pieces for over a millennium and it probably had no idea about the time war. On top of that, the Doctor has spent 3 regenerations getting over the it so I don't think she'd want to bring up the Time War either.
 
Has nobody mentioned, this is the first story involving a Dalek that has no reference to the frickin' Time War? In any way, shape or form?

To be honest I've lost track of what the current state of affairs with the daleks, I spent half the episode waiting for her to tell it it was the last remaining dalek (again)

Well... The "Time War" ended for real in Time of the Doctor, and since then we had Into the Dalek where the Doctor inadvertently sends Rusty on a one-Dalek mission to destroy the Daleks, which Twice Upon a Time indicates has been relatively successful, if it's taken billions of years. We saw Skaro in Witch's Familiar but we don't know the time reference of it per se. (It could feasibly exist at a point before Time of the Doctor.) The Pilot one-off scene can happen whenever.

So how many Daleks do still exist? I'd like an era when there aren't many.
 
Has nobody mentioned, this is the first story involving a Dalek that has no reference to the frickin' Time War? In any way, shape or form?

I feel like the Time War has been pretty much gone from Dalek stories since they returned from except-for-event-episode extinction in "Victory." But I could be wrong!

But it'd take a while to check, so I just glanced and confirmed "Asylum" not only doesn't mention the Time War, it shows plenty of classic-series Daleks and exclusively name-drops classic-series episodes, which requires considerably more mental gymnastics since the Dalek species was apparently recreated from scratch in "Victory," with no cross-over.

So how many Daleks do still exist? I'd like an era when there aren't many.

I feel like the point of "Victory" was to restore the Daleks to existing, but not being on the edge of total universal domination. They're more of a nusience scourge of all creation, so they can pop up whenever and be as much or as little of a threat as possible, as opposed to the RTD era where every appearance had to be an unlikely return from extinction and their opening gambit was always the complete destruction of everything.

So there are Daleks around, but they're at a manageable level.
 
How about a Dalek spin-off instead? Imagine the money you could save by not having to hire actors!


Jason
I imagine Nick Briggs might get a bit worn down doing entire episodes in which he's essentially just talking to himself.
Is it weird that I found Dalek-Lyn oddly sexy?
Nothing odd about it, bro. Especially once she got on the police uniform, my checklist of fetishes was quite thoroughly gone through.

So, ah, moving on.
 
It blew itself up. We're led to believe it's a fairly early Dalek to leave Skaro, possibly the first one to reach Earth. (Though other material tells us there were Daleks on Earth as early as the Roman era.)
 
It blew itself up. We're led to believe it's a fairly early Dalek to leave Skaro, possibly the first one to reach Earth. (Though other material tells us there were Daleks on Earth as early as the Roman era.)
You aren't thinking fourth dimenttsionIt could have been among the first to leave, but others could have shown up at earlier points because of time travel.

Has nobody mentioned, this is the first story involving a Dalek that has no reference to the frickin' Time War? In any way, shape or form?
It was refreshing and appropriate for the Doctor. She has no need to, this Dalek was from before the Time War and she's no longer feeling the guilt and despair from surviving because she knows that Gallifrey survived and she didn't really wipe out the Time Lords. All the trauma is gone, which is why she believes a bit differently now. Doctors 9-11 were all dealing with that trauma in different ways and 12 was slowly overcoming and remembering how to just be a good man again. 13 is the Doctor who is the result of all that progress. The Time War would really only come up now if a Dalek from that era came back.
 
Actually, this isn't the first Dalek episode with no reference to the Time War. There was no mention of the Time War in Victory of the Daleks or Asylum of the Daleks. Hell, aside from a vague reference in The Beast Below, there was no direct mention of the Time War in the Moffat era until The Rings of Akhaten. Then they went overboard with it mentioned every other episode for the rest of Smith's run.
 
That's not the only thing they went overboard with season 5 beginning the era of "The companions are special and in some cases more important then The Doctor, or have super time space powers"
 
I mean... Both Rose and Donna develop super time-space powers and Martha Jones was the most important woman in the world. I wouldn't say that started in Season 5.

True but I noticed it more then. Rose I got because she stared into the open console which contained the time vortex, and Martha well yeah she became important but she too was one of those companions that went goo goo eyes over the Doctor. I hated that aspect of the show.
 
How about a Dalek spin-off instead? Imagine the money you could save by not having to hire actors!


Jason
Nation tried to get a Dalek spin-off back in the early days of Dalekmania - most of his ideas were explored in the Anti-Dalek Force stories that appeared in the Dalek Annuals.

Well... The "Time War" ended for real in Time of the Doctor, and since then we had Into the Dalek where the Doctor inadvertently sends Rusty on a one-Dalek mission to destroy the Daleks, which Twice Upon a Time indicates has been relatively successful, if it's taken billions of years. We saw Skaro in Witch's Familiar but we don't know the time reference of it per se. (It could feasibly exist at a point before Time of the Doctor.) The Pilot one-off scene can happen whenever.

So how many Daleks do still exist? I'd like an era when there aren't many.

The Dalek Cameo in The Pilot seems to have occurred during the Movellan War, so is probably around the time of Destiny Of The Daleks. Of course, Doctor Who has been pretty careful to avoid laying down exact dates for a lot of their Dalek stories, though apart from Genesis the 1980's stories had been in linear order.
 
The Doctor was in love with Rose, a human copy of him even ended up with her. That makes her pretty special, if only in his eyes.

Good point.
Also he burned up a supernova to have a facetime chat with her. I love the parody where he keeps burning whole stars and then thinking I wonder how many deaths that caused..
 
I feel like the Time War has been pretty much gone from Dalek stories since they returned from except-for-event-episode extinction in "Victory." But I could be wrong!

But it'd take a while to check, so I just glanced and confirmed "Asylum" not only doesn't mention the Time War, it shows plenty of classic-series Daleks and exclusively name-drops classic-series episodes, which requires considerably more mental gymnastics since the Dalek species was apparently recreated from scratch in "Victory," with no cross-over.



I feel like the point of "Victory" was to restore the Daleks to existing, but not being on the edge of total universal domination. They're more of a nusience scourge of all creation, so they can pop up whenever and be as much or as little of a threat as possible, as opposed to the RTD era where every appearance had to be an unlikely return from extinction and their opening gambit was always the complete destruction of everything.

So there are Daleks around, but they're at a manageable level.

Agreed.. and with Clara removing all traces of the Doctor from their memory and database, it also begs the question of did she remove all traces of the Time Lords and Time war from their collective consciousness too?? Clara may have done more to damage the Daleks, then we all know, it will be up to a future writer to tug at that thread, but I would be interested to see if there was any play on that setup in the future.
 
Agreed.. and with Clara removing all traces of the Doctor from their memory and database, it also begs the question of did she remove all traces of the Time Lords and Time war from their collective consciousness too?? Clara may have done more to damage the Daleks, then we all know, it will be up to a future writer to tug at that thread, but I would be interested to see if there was any play on that setup in the future.
The whole thing with the Daleks forgetting about the Doctor was basically abandoned in Time of the Doctor when the Daleks learn about the Doctor again after "assimilating" Tasha Lem.
 
^ Or why Moffat would want to make that a plot point! It only really added a few lines of dialog, but nothing of significance was changed. Then, it was undone! They remembered him again.
 
I suspect Moffat's original plan was to hearken to the "chemistry" of the earlier stories when the Daleks did not immediately know he or she was the Doctor. Remember, Moffat (supposedly) wanted to dial back the near g*dlike status that worlds had built around the Doctor. "I just want to go back to being a traveler." Maybe Steven hoped future Dalek stories might prove more interesting without the immediate recognition.

But, as has been noted, Moffat negated that plan with the Daleks' very next appearance, making that plan moot.
 
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