Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy)

[DRMidnite]

Do yourself a favor, read the 4 issue comics mini-series, Star Trek: Countdown.

Don't presume everybody has access to the comic. It might be out of stock.

Was not presuming anything, thank you very much. Was suggesting that, if possible, reading the comic would be enlightening.

 

[Luigi]

I grew up watching Star Trek in the 70s/80s and as a kid you just accepted the weirdity, silliness and downright absurdity of some of the scenarios.

Kirk vs Khan in TOS. Khan: "I have five times your strength." Kirk reaches for a space spanner and knocks him out - I mean c'mon!

The problem now is having grown up it's harder to accept the science fiction as mere entertainment. In effect, we are no longer able to suspend disbelief.

So yes, marooning Kirk on an ice planet is ridiculous - but if that's what's got to happen to get Scotty and old Spock into the plot as efficiently as possible then so be it. Ditto the Engineering section. I dimly remember the original Enterprise having 4,000 crew members but Engineering on a ship that size was nothing bigger than a corner shop. So having an engine room that looked industrial at least gave the ship some human scale.

A lot of the nit picks discussed here are valid but you might as well pick holes in the fact that no matter how many times Kirk gets smacked in the face he never breaks a tooth or gets a black eye.

The reboot changes a heck of a lot and that's the reality we are going to have to live with from now on because Paramount and JJA has allowed the franchise to boldly go into a different dimension. But to be honest, Star Trek was going nowhere. It had already gone backwards with Enterprise so unless Patrick Stewart was going to suit up again or a plot based around Voyager or DS9 put together, then there could only be an 'origins' style approach.

The posts on this forum are entertaining and insightful and it's a pleasure reading them. Thanks guys.

 

[EJA]

Yeah, I had a bit of a WTF moment when I found out they knew the Narada was a Romulan ship when no one knew what Romulans looked like prior to the 2260s. But then I got thinking, and these are my ideas: I reckon someone must've seen an actual Romulan at some point during the Earth-Romulan War or in the decades between that and 2233 (Diane Carey had Robert April meet a Romulan face to face in her novel Final Frontier). When Starfleet picked up all those survivors from the Kelvin, some of the bridge crew might have mentioned that the alien seen on the viewscreen resembled a Vulcan, and someone who'd encountered the Romulans then came forward with what they knew and they put two and two together.

We also know that Nero was held captive by the Klingons for a number of years. Perhaps Starfleet intercepted some Klingon messages mentioning a Romulan prisoner from the unidentified vessel?

Yet another possibility is that even though, according to the prequel comic Countdown, the Narada was heavily modified with Borg technology, some of its systems would still be recognisable as being Romulan in origin, and the crew of the Kelvin who scanned the ship picked up on this.

 

[Johnhead99]

Re: Loved the movie but (insert nit pick here)

Great movie, but, my 2 nit picks are

1) Give me a name of a new race. Please. We seen several. All I want is a name. Same with a Planet. Show me something new.

2) Never once did I feel anything in regards to 'exploring' and 'going where noone has gone before'. Please, next time, lets remember that this is a trek they are on.

really all the films though the first to a lesser degree had that fault.
still would like to see some discover new civilizations in the sequel .. would be nice.

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Going from Vulcan to Earth in hours instead of days, teleporting light years and half light years across the galaxy was never possible in Trek. You had to be relatively close to a planet/moon/whatever.

bah even in tos and through the other series they cribbed on how much time it took to get from place to place.

so much so that fans came up with the warp highway theory and that there were bypasses through space were a ship could travel far more quickly.

as for the long range beaming.,. remember it was one of the things prime spock showed scotty. well showed scotty his own theory..

I am adding a 3rd nitpick. Product Placement. Ugh.

 

[Jiraiya]

Apparently, a supernova would have to be at least 30 light-years away to be of any threat.

Source

You mean within 30 light years?

Any supernova-likely star within 30 light years would be one of the brightest things in the Romulan skies, the risk of its explosion would be very well understood, and considering that the explosion couldn't go faster than light, would be trivial to avoid.

Am I misunderstanding the facts as set forth in the movie? I haven't seen it yet.

The wording confused me on how Romulus was destroyed. They didn't really say the Romulus star exploded but they didn't say it was another star either. It seems to me if it was Romulus's star life would have pretty much ceased to exist for years before because a lot happens before a star goes nova. Our sun will make earth unsustainable for life in about 1 billion years but it'll still be around for about 3-4 billion more years before it basically goes nova.

Check out IDW's Countdown mini-series (it should be out in TPB format very soon if not already). It is the official prequel to the film and features the TNG crew app. 8-9 years after Nemesis.

J

 

[Neopeius]

You mean within 30 light years?

Any supernova-likely star within 30 light years would be one of the brightest things in the Romulan skies, the risk of its explosion would be very well understood, and considering that the explosion couldn't go faster than light, would be trivial to avoid.

Am I misunderstanding the facts as set forth in the movie? I haven't seen it yet.

The wording confused me on how Romulus was destroyed. They didn't really say the Romulus star exploded but they didn't say it was another star either. It seems to me if it was Romulus's star life would have pretty much ceased to exist for years before because a lot happens before a star goes nova. Our sun will make earth unsustainable for life in about 1 billion years but it'll still be around for about 3-4 billion more years before it basically goes nova.

Check out IDW's Countdown mini-series (it should be out in TPB format very soon if not already). It is the official prequel to the film and features the TNG crew app. 8-9 years after Nemesis.

J

I read the summary on Wikipedia. Something about a supernova causing virtually instantaneous destruction dozens of light years away.

 

[Ovation]

It is described (as things in Trek often are) as a supernova "like no other". It has unusual properties in that it grows more powerful as it expands--feeding of the absorbed matter incinerated by its shockwave or something like that (I don't have my copy of the TPB handy). It doesn't make scientific sense to me (I'm not a scientist, but it doesn't gibe with what little I know) but then, neither does much of Trek. In any event, it poses a threat to "the whole galaxy", to use Spock's words and provides the motivation for the interaction of Spock and Nero with the TNG crowd. The resultant time travel/dimensional shift to another reality is accidental, not deliberate.

 

[Jiraiya]

Nurse Chapel is mentioned by McCoy. A teenager Number One was on the Kelvin and she died. (why not?)

Where was scale mentioned in the film? We don't know how the Kelvin scales to the Enterprise or how either scales to the TOS Enterprise.

He did!! When I don't remember that!!

I did think of her last night when Uhura was molesting Spock...poor poor nurse chapel.

I too would have liked to have seen Nurse Chapel in the film.

While the Spock/Uhura thing was interesting. It would have been a lot better to see a similar Spock/Chapel relationship instead, and let Kirk have Uhura instead; you know she secretly wanted him

Jewel Staite (of Firefly and SG:A fame) I think would have made an ideal Chapel, but like most of the other sentiments on this thread, they are minor nits and I loved the movie.

 

[Ovation]

Did anyone recognize the computer voice as Majel Roddenberry? I made a small effort and found the voice bore no resemblance to hers, other than being female. Perhaps a second viewing will be more conclusive.

 

[brandnewfan]

I agree with some of the nitpicks here, but none of it changes the fact that this was a great movie.

I can see this becoming 2009's "Dark Knight" in terms of success and revenue. This is wonderful for the continuation of the franchise. If not for this movie, things would've stayed dead for who knows how much longer. This is like the re-imagining of Battlestar Galactica: I like it better than the original, and I would consider myself to be a hardcore Trekkie.

 

[Photon]

Fubar?

During the simulation...........Klingon Warbird.........ahem.........

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Fubar?

You're right. No one can enjoy the film because of this.

 

[shapeshifter]

Re: Fubar?

What are you on about? Whatever it is, I don't get it.

 

[Heeroyuy]

Re: Fubar?

Sounded cooler than D7, K'Tinga or cruiser, probably.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Re: Fubar?

What are you on about? Whatever it is, I don't get it.

I missed that in the film but assuming he's correct, I think he's pointing out that a Warbird is a Romulan vessel not Klingon.

(OF course in this incarnation of Trek, who knows?)

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Re: Fubar?

What? Are you serious? Respectfully....who cares? Warbird, bird of prey, come on now.

 

[urbandk]

Re: Fubar?

Klingon Warbird

What was once a writer's error is now canon.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Fubar?

So you would rather have it be a Dominion Warbird?

 

[shapeshifter]

Re: Fubar?

What are you on about? Whatever it is, I don't get it.

I missed that in the film but assuming he's correct, I think he's pointing out that a Warbird is a Romulan vessel not Klingon.

(OF course in this incarnation of Trek, who knows?)

Okay.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Re: Fubar?

Klingon Warbird

What was once a writer's error is now canon.

Writer's error or not it was canon already since it had made it on screen.