Jennifer Lien in trouble again?

[Prax]

Despite that, I find Darren's comments more believable than the propaganda phrases from Berman, Braga and Fuller. I don't give a d**n for their "official explanations" crap. They were out to destroy the character and nothing more

What propaganda? I only quoted Lien. If anything, it's clear from these interviews that the idea to have an ironic reversal on Kes's magical powers, and have her become an antagonist came from Fuller and it being the Kes that Lien wanted back to play.

 

[Lynx]

What propaganda? I only quoted Lien. If anything, it's clear from these interviews that the idea to have an ironic reversal on Kes's magical powers, and have her become an antagonist came from Fuller and it being the Kes that Lien wanted back to play.

A little misunderstanding here.

I wasn't referring to your quotes from Lien, I was referring to quotes from Berman, Braga and Fuller in Darren's movieblog. There were some of them there.

I won't call the the idea "ironic reversal of her powers", I would rather call what they came up with disgusting.

As for Lien, if she really wanted to do this on these conditions, then she actually insulted the fans of the character she played with great skill for three years. As I wrote before, she did lose a lot of points in my book for participating in that piece of s**t.

 

[Prax]

I have a task for you, Lynx. Rewrite the episode in a rough outline while maintaining the general circumstances. Kes comes back suddenly in a shuttle in late season 6. She can only stay for one episode. She looks to be in her 60's. What happens next?

 

[BillJ]

...she played with great skill for three years.

This is really debatable. Talented actor who took on a poorly thought out character. Her and Wang were the weak links in the show. For the three seasons she was there, the only real standout was "Warlord", where she wasn't really playing Kes.

The only mistake the producers made was not torpedoing Harry Kim at the same time they ditched Kes.

 

[Geetha Stachowiak]

I'll read the rest of the movie blog article later, but what trash. The quotes used in that article are the same quotes I posted, albeit out of context, or quotes found right on the wiki. So years later Lien, when asked which episode she preferred, the Gift, or Fury. She answers the "probably the gift" and then relates how she felt her acting was a bit off from being absent for so long. None of this negates the fact that she liked the story, and wanted the story to be that way. As far as I am aware, she has not criticized the story she praised years earlier.

And look at this:

This is from the interview I posted, but taken completely out of context. She also says "Well, I've changed in the last three years, and other people who are still here that I knew back then have changed considerably too. So I'd imagine naturally they'd be changed if I were to come back in three more years."

She's not commenting on the show being "stagnate" or anything that Darren in trying to imply. She's commenting on how It's like being right back in the saddle. Is this reviewer stupid or dishonest?

This is the perfect example of an episode review simply used to trash the whole show in general, and harp endlessly about "serialization," "the premise," "reset buttons" and so on, and so forth. He spends more time talking about other episodes, naming as many as he can, each with its own unique pejorative attached. He also speculates on how the producers were "trying to stick it to the fans." Fury is all a meta-narrative for his perceived war between the producers and the ...I dunno... former? Voyager fans(HIM)? He's essentially identifying his own personal emotional baggage with all Voyager fans, because everyone must feel exactly like he does.

I'm at the Bryan Fuller quote, which he also takes out of context. Fuller commented on how those great powers had unexpected consequences. He turned the star trek trope of "evolving into energy beings" on its head with Kes. That's all Fuller is saying. The reviewer takes this quote and folds it into his "producers vs fans-like-him" theory.

So he doesn't actually offer any new information on the process by which this episode was created. He quotes from the same two interviews, plus a few quotes found right on wikipedia under the "Fury" page(and there are so few, so the author did no actual research into the behind the scenes of this episode beyond wikipedia and the interview linked to the wikipedia article).

Please, post the link where Lien says she liked the concept and script for 'Fury.' I'd like to read more about that.

I don't see Lien's words "...things pretty much still seem the same here..." as meaning it feels like it's right back in the saddle. To me, her words means exactly that - that things had not changed on the set. There's a huge difference between things not changing, and being back in the saddle. You can come back years later and do the same thing and have it feel completely different, even if you're going through the exact same motions. Notice that Lien follows up that statement with: "It doesn’t feel like any time has passed, whereas in my own personal life, time has passed and I can definitely feel that." That means unequivocally, that time seems to have stood still on the set, which is one definition of stagnation ('standing still').

To me, looking up things on the internet is research. It clarified things for me. I don't know about you, but I've worked on a film set, and reading the various posts shed more light on the situation - **for me.** If it did not do so for you, oh well. You're not obliged to read my comments.

 

[Akiraprise]

I think this thread has run it's course. More off topic now anyway. I think we all wish Jennifer the best as she moves forward in life.