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Jennifer instead of Jake

Joe Washington

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I've heard people in this forum talk about how waste-of-space of a character Jake Sisko is which made me wonder how the show would have been if Jake was the one who died onboard the ill-fated Saratoga and Sisko's wife Jennifer had lived through the experience. If Benjamin came onboard DS9 with his wife and had to deal with Jake's death's impact on his marriage to Jennifer while running the station. What do you guys think of this alternate route?
 
It would have been another O'Brien/Keiko situation. Keiko was annoying. I didn't like Cassidy (sp?) Yates either. I thought the father/son bond worked pretty well in the series. And Jake wasn't a wunderkind like Wesley, making him more relatable. Didn't think he was a waste of space at all.
 
Jake was underutilised in the final seasons of the show, made worse by the inclusion of a new main character in season 7 and the important roles the large number of recurring characters had to play in what was going on as well.

Unless Jennifer became part of the crew she probably would suffer the same fate as Jake. Falling to the wayside a tad because there is not much room and a lot of characters.
 
First, I actually like the fact that Jake was "under-utilized" (though even I agree he should've shown up more in season seven). I liked that the writers seemed content to have him be a rather ordinary teenager/young adult rather than trying to find a way to shoehorn him into the action. He was there when they wanted to do a parent/child scene with Sisko (and like most people I think that whole relationship was portrayed well) and he had a few sub-plots over the years along the lines of "growing up on the station", "looking for a career", etc, but when he wasn't needed they didn't feel a need to use him "just because". I like that I can look at his role in the series and think "he was pretty normal, considering". So I don't see him as a waste of space, instead I'm pleased that he was an optional part of a story rather than a component they felt had to be used.

What we did get out of him, I liked. Maybe on his own he's not particularly interesting - but then, as I said, I appreciate the "normality" - but his role is pretty much to be Ben Sisko's child, and in that he was always a welcome part of the show. So I don't really see too much of a need to judge the character as much other than a supporting character for The Sisko.

That said, just as Sisko was interesing for being the only captain bringing a child with him, he probably would have been interesting as the only captain to have a spouse with him, too. Sisko's domestic life was a nice addition to Trek, and I guess having Jennifer along instead of Jake could've worked fine. I like to think they'd have got some good scenes out of that, but I'm happy with what we got.
 
I don't think it would work with Sisko has we know him. I think Jake gave him a reason to keep going that Jennifer might not have.
 
Yeah, I quite like Jake, myself. Sure the writers probably could have used him a little more often as the show went on, but he did end up with a pretty nice character arc, and his scenes with Sisko were always well-done.

Plus, no Jake means losing that pitch-perfect ending scene...
 
To have Jake die in Emissary instead of Jennifer would have just added another dynamic to the show.

I mean, the two grieving parents angle could have worked too, there's no reason why not. But from a pure writing perspective I think they weren't sure what direction they were going to take Jake, I mean at that point they might have thought they could make him a starfleet officer through the later seasons, going through the academy...

Whereas with Jennifer she'd just kinda, be around...
 
Death of child usually means a fucked up marriage, followed by a dead and buried marriage.

Imagine the conflict of Jennifer running around on Ben?

Who's bed would she slip into to fill up the empty whole inside her that her husband was too caught up in his own bullshit to tend or till?

Bashir?

Garak?

Morn?
 
Death of child usually means a fucked up marriage, followed by a dead and buried marriage.

Imagine the conflict of Jennifer running around on Ben?

Who's bed would she slip into to fill up the empty whole inside her that her husband was too caught up in his own bullshit to tend or till?

Bashir?

Garak?

Morn?

lol, you MAY have a point there Gardener, but for the Star Trek universe, even Burman may have held up on going that far.

As far as writing goes, you can't really hinge an entire characters existence for 7 years on "Hey do you remember that kid we had..."
 
These are things I see Jennifer doing or going through on the show if she lived past Emisarry.

  • Jennifer developing close bonds with the other characters (Imagine a girl's night out with her, Kira, Dax, and Keiko.)
  • She maybe running the teaching center on the station with Keiko or working under Dax as a member of her science staff.
  • Her working on her emotionally wounded marriage with Ben which will take time. Probably a season.
  • Her forming a mother-son relationship with Nog, seeing some qualities in him that remind her of Jake, and butting heads with Rom and Quark over his upbringing.
  • Her getting special privileges because she is the wife of the Emisarry and having a hard time adjusting to Ben being a religious icon in the eyes of the Bajoran people.
  • Jennifer and Ben butting heads over military-civilian matters like a Star Trek version of Adama and Roslin.
  • Jennifer trying to help with the Dominion problem which stirs up bad memories of the Borg and how they wrecked lives the way the Dominion are.
  • Maybe her staying behind on DS9 after it gets occupied by the Dominion for some reason and joining the anti-Dominion resistance while her husband fights to retake DS9 and reunite with her.
  • Her getting pregnant again and Ben dealing with the weight of impending fatherhood as well as command of the station and his status as Emisarry.
That's all I can think of.
 
Since I have never considered Jake a "waste of space" character, I'm having problems with your basic premise. He was by far the best kid character Trek had, and what's wrong with that? And besides, part of what made Sisko Sisko was that he was a man in pain, and I think that was an essential part of his character in the first several seasons.

So no, I don't think Jennifer would have been an improvement.

I do think more successful marriages would have been kind of nice to see in Trek, though, since this wasn't something Trek did much. (Personally I quite liked seeing the O'Briens, but I know not everybody agrees with that.) But I don't think this is one that would have worked nearly as well as what we got.
 
I suppose the mirror Universe episode with Jennifer would've instead been about Mirror Jake, teen genius scientist?
 
I suppose the mirror Universe episode with Jennifer would've instead been about Mirror Jake, teen genius scientist?

Ooh, ooh, how about a teen genius mad scientist? Or is that a given in the Mirror Universe?
 
Teen genius?

Frakk that.

Skevvy pimp selling dubiously acquired black market internal organs AND the Attendants love pony slave.
 
Jennifer was super-hot but the actress playing her seemed like an airhead, with very flat line readings, even when she wasn't supposed to be a Prophet. I think it was refreshing to see a character such as Jake who was struggling to find his place in the universe. I also loved the father-son dynamic between Jake and Ben. I'd change nothing.

As mentioned above, if Jennifer had nothing to do, we'd have gotten another whining Keiko and IMHO one Keiko is too many! I'm still shocked O'Brien never received a medal from Starfleet for NOT thowing Keiko out an airlock!
 
Since I have never considered Jake a "waste of space" character, I'm having problems with your basic premise. He was by far the best kid character Trek had, and what's wrong with that? And besides, part of what made Sisko Sisko was that he was a man in pain, and I think that was an essential part of his character in the first several seasons.

So no, I don't think Jennifer would have been an improvement.
Agreed on all points.
 
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