Janeway - worthy TREK Captain or not?

[rocketscientist]

I don't recall Sisko becoming a god. He wasn't all knowing, omnipotent, etc. He was just taken away by the Bajoran worm-hole aliens.

So there is an all-encompassing definition of what makes up a god?

Nope, but I'd say there are probably a list of fundamental characteristics.

Sisko didn't appear to be like the Greek or Norse gods, who were immortals and wielded supernatural powers, for example. He had visions, so there's that, but so did a lot of the prophets in the Bible.

He was still just a man at the end.

 

[Michael]

I don't recall Sisko becoming a god. He wasn't all knowing, omnipotent, etc. He was just taken away by the Bajoran worm-hole aliens.

So there is an all-encompassing definition of what makes up a god?

Nope, but I'd say there are probably a list of fundamental characteristics.

Sisko didn't appear to be like the Greek or Norse gods, who were immortals and wielded supernatural powers, for example. He had visions, so there's that, but so did a lot of the prophets in the Bible.

He was still just a man at the end.

"Pah-Wraiths and Prophets? All this talk of gods strikes me as nothing more than superstitious nonsense."
"You believe that the Founders are gods, don't you?"
"That's different."
"In what way?"
"The Founders are gods."

– Weyoun and Damar

 

[exodus]

I also think you have to include the perception of the general populous.

I think of Sisko as being more like a Petraeus: Yeah, everyone recognizes his name, but anyone who isn't completely up with the goings in the war probably doesn't really know who he is.

Janeway, on the other hand, is more like John Glenn. Her feats were romanticized by the media and what not and she was made larger than life. Everyone knew who she was and her promotion was typical politics and beauracracy on Starfleet's part.

Please, Janeway deserved to become Admiral after all she did to get her ship home. There is no such proof of the media romanticizing anything.


Sisko still beat out Kirk, Picard & Janeway by becoming a God.

I don't recall Sisko becoming a god. He wasn't all knowing, omnipotent, etc. He was just taken away by the Bajoran worm-hole aliens.

According to Ira Steven Behr, that's what Sisko became.

 

[exodus]

Dude, it was a hypothetical analogy.

Calm down.

It's a debate, roll with it.


Blame it on these freakin' annoying drop downs too.

 

[rocketscientist]

Please, Janeway deserved to become Admiral after all she did to get her ship home. There is no such proof of the media romanticizing anything.


Sisko still beat out Kirk, Picard & Janeway by becoming a God.

I don't recall Sisko becoming a god. He wasn't all knowing, omnipotent, etc. He was just taken away by the Bajoran worm-hole aliens.

According to Ira Steven Behr, that's what Sisko became.

I'm sure he was talking figuratively.

Whatever, if Beher is equating Sisko = major religious figure for the Bajorans = god (not with a capital G!) then, fine. I wouldn't call him that though.

 

[exodus]

I don't recall Sisko becoming a god. He wasn't all knowing, omnipotent, etc. He was just taken away by the Bajoran worm-hole aliens.

According to Ira Steven Behr, that's what Sisko became.

I'm sure he was talking figuratively.

Whatever, if Beher is equating Sisko = major religious figure for the Bajorans = god (not with a capital G!) then, fine. I wouldn't call him that though.

Nope, literally. I believe it's one of the DVD extras.

What the writer/creator thinks is canon, regardless of whatever we believe or accept.

 

[Navaros]

exodus is right. Sisko became a wormhole alien. He is no longer a man at the end of DS9. He is a wormhole alien.

 

[exodus]

exodus is right. Sisko became a wormhole alien. He is no longer a man at the end of DS9. He is a wormhole alien.

Thank you.

The whole time the Bajorians see him as their Jesus.

His father & the Prophets inform us he was born of a human & Prophet, just like Jesus was born of God & Mary. He was the chosen one.

Sisko like Jesus was the son of the Prophets/God.

Sisko is a God.

Ira Behr made Sisko's fate such because he said Trek Fans view the Captains as God's. So what bigger compliment was there but to have a Captain actually become one.

 

[rocketscientist]

exodus is right. Sisko became a wormhole alien. He is no longer a man at the end of DS9. He is a wormhole alien.

Thank you.

The whole time the Bajorians see him as their Jesus.

His father & the Prophets inform us he was born of a human & Prophet, just like Jesus was born of God & Mary. He was the chosen one.

Sisko like Jesus was the son of the Prophets/God.

Sisko is a God.

Ira Behr made Sisko's fate such because he said Trek Fans view the Captains as God's. So what bigger compliment was there but to have a Captain actually become one.

Ok, you win. I'm totally and utterly wrong.

 

[Akiraprise]

Guys, take it to the Niner forum.
This thread is supposed to be about Janeway.

 

[exodus]

Guys, take it to the Niner forum.
This thread is supposed to be about Janeway.

How can we debate if Janeway is a worthy Captain if we can compare and contrasts her goals & acheivements next to other Captains?

 

[geeke]

Janeway is the best.

 

[TheMasterOfOrion]

and with the number of shuttles, it's pretty clear that they have the capability to build shuttles from scratch

Yeah you just ask the replicator for more shuttles please

 

[Mrs Paris]

and with the number of shuttles, it's pretty clear that they have the capability to build shuttles from scratch

Yeah you just ask the replicator for more shuttles please

No, they can build shuttles. Come on, we have seen them build the Delta Flyer. TWICE!!

 

[NovusInceptum]

Voyager is my favorite series, and Kathryn Janeway is my favorite captain. Just think about it: stranded in the Delta Quadrant, 70 years from anything Starfleet related, and she makes the decision to keep on truckin'. She could have decided to colonize the first suitable M-Class planet they came upon, but her desire to get not just herself, but the entire crew home supersedes this.

As for episodes, I think Janeway is reperesented the best in "Year of Hell."
Here's proof:


Janeway: "Tuvok, I can hear your objections already. I am not leaving."
Tuvok: "Given Voyager's damaged state, the probability of your surviving an armed conflict … is marginal."
Janeway: "Oh, I know the odds. But I have to stay. Voyager's done too much for us."
Tuvok: "Curious. I have never understood the Human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. This vessel has done nothing. It is an assemblage of bulkheads, conduits, tritanium – nothing more."
Janeway: "Oh, you're wrong. It's much more than that. This ship has been our home. It's kept us together. It's been part of our family. As illogical as this might sound, I feel as close to Voyager as I do to any other member of my crew. It's carried us, Tuvok. Even nurtured us. And right now, it needs one of us."
Tuvok: "I respect your decision. Live long and prosper, Captain."
Janeway: "Same to you, … old friend."

 

[CorporalClegg]

^
Five seconds later she slams on the reset button!

I would agree with you 100% if it were not for that last part.

I strongly feel that had the reset button been left alone, many people would look back at YoH as Trek's greatest achievement.

 

[exodus]

^
Five seconds later she slams on the reset button!

I would agree with you 100% if it were not for that last part.

I strongly feel that had the reset button been left alone, many people would look back at YoH as Trek's greatest achievement.

Come on, howelse could you have ended "YOH" if it wasn't for the reset button?

The ship was unsalvagable, a good precent of the crew were dead. The show would have ended, if no reset could be used.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Any capable writer could have come up with something.

 

[exodus]

Any capable writer could have come up with something.

No way, a ship that's unsalavable is equal to a car that's been totaled. It's unsafe and a road hazard.

Many complained the reset was unrealistic, however if you want realizm then we have to also accept those facts as well. Those are the choices.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Well, they could have made the ship in less bad shape without losing anything.

The greatness came from the condition of the characters--the ship was irrelevant.