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Jamie Bamber to "17th Precinct"

Does anyone really want to see a magical cop show?

Why not? Warehouse 13 is basically a magical detective show, and it's pretty successful. And The Dresden Files, about a wizard/detective, is a very successful book series, although the TV adaptation didn't last. And what about the success of vampire detective shows like Forever Knight and Angel? Plenty of magic there.

Besides, magic isn't just about wands and chiming bells. Magic realism is a very popular genre these days in literature, and Ron Moore has tackled it in past TV shows including Carnivale and even Battlestar Galactica (which was essentially a magic-realist space opera, a rather novel variation on both genres).
 
Actors are usually happy to be "stuck" with work. Most likely, 17th Precinct is insta-cancellation bait. Shows like that are lucky to last a season. Does anyone really want to see a magical cop show? He'll be back on the market soon enough.

Did the show get picked up yet or is it just a pilot?
 
Nobody wants to watch anything with any speculative fiction elements on TV at all. Let's face it... we think there's a market for it, but there's really not. Out of 300 million people in America, there might be 6 million who would watch a sci-fi show.


To be fair, Americans have a lot of choices and if you get 10 million viewers now a days that's a great hit on most channels.

I remember reading Doctor Who episodes in the Uk were getting 10-12 million viewers and that's like a 5th of the population, if a fifth the population of the USA watched anything besides the Super Bowl it would be an insane hit.
 
^Apparently not, many actors turn down US TV roles because of the long contracts.
And many more snap those contracts up happily. I've heard of a TV show that couldn't go forward because they couldn't find any actor to sign on the dotted line. You get a no, you go on to the next person in the audition waiting room. :rommie:

^6 million is a lot of nobody.

Not a lot by network standards. They need to make $$$ off ad revenues, which are worth a lot less per eyeball versus the way cable does it - ad revenues plus subscriptions. Premium cable eyeballs are worth the most of all, because you have to subscribe directly to the channel, and it isn't shared among 100 different basic cable stations or whatever.

What the ratings mean varies wildly according to the underlying financial model. Six million is a huge hit on Showtime. Twice that number will still mean cancellation on CBS.
Warehouse 13 is basically a magical detective show, and it's pretty successful. And The Dresden Files, about a wizard/detective, is a very successful book series, although the TV adaptation didn't last.
Both on cable. Broadcast networks demand a larger audience than either of those shows could garner. Have you failed to notice how many sf/f shows are trotted out on broadcast networks and how many of them fail? The failure rate is almost 100%. What is surviving anymore, Fringe and Chuck? They're hanging on by their fingernails. Sure, the TV biz is hard and cop shows fail all the time too, but it seems like sf/f on network TV is a sure recipe for cancellation.

Magic realism is a very popular genre these days in literature, and Ron Moore has tackled it in past TV shows including Carnivale and even Battlestar Galactica (which was essentially a magic-realist space opera, a rather novel variation on both genres).

BSG
was on basci cable, and Carnivale was on premium cable. Comparing shows from broadcast vs basic cable vs premium cable is comparing apples, oranges and pomegrantes.

Isn't True Blood a sort of magical show too?
Yes. It's on premium cable, the best place for niche TV. Second best is basic cable, which bodes well for The Walking Dead. Worst choice is broadcast. It's all about the financial model, which determines the ratings needed for survival. The more each eyeball is worth, the easier it is to survive on the smaller number of eyeballs that are interested in sf/f.
 
What scant details we've heard still make it sound like a uninteresting twist on a genre that I find absolutely boring, but, on the other hand, the fact that Moore has managed to snag both Bamber and Channing for roles suggests it might be better than I anticipate. We'll see.
 
Actors are usually happy to be "stuck" with work. Most likely, 17th Precinct is insta-cancellation bait. Shows like that are lucky to last a season. Does anyone really want to see a magical cop show? He'll be back on the market soon enough.

Did the show get picked up yet or is it just a pilot?

This is pilot season right now. The pilots are being shot between now and May, when the networks decide which to pick up and which current shows to cancel (both decisions must be made in tandem since cancellation depends on having shows that look like worthwhile replacements).

Last year I noticed sf/f seemed to have a pretty high pilot pickup rate, around 50%, which was higher than for over-represented genres like cop shows. This year again there's a plethora of cop shows, but I suspect that each genre has a certain number of slots dedicated to it.
I remember reading Doctor Who episodes in the Uk were getting 10-12 million viewers and that's like a 5th of the population, if a fifth the population of the USA watched anything besides the Super Bowl it would be an insane hit.
Yeah, that would be 60 million - shows just don't even approach that proportion of the population anymore. There's really no such thing as the mass audience anymore. I'd argue that even American Idol is a type of niche show, just with a larger following than BSG. At 24M viewers on average, American Idol reaches only eight percent of the population. Some "hit."

But it doesn't matter how many people watch it. What matters is that enough people watch it that there isn't the temptation to axe it and see if the next promising show might do better. What kills shows isn't so much the ratings, it's the new pilot that the honchos think could be that elusive big hit that will pay for a myriad of failures.
 
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