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JAMES CAWLEY SPEAKS!

CBS never went into detail why Vic got a pass, so we don't really know why they didn't hit Vic with legal stuff. Vic's fantastic production value and having former Trek professionals running it behind the curtains and exploiting the franchises most popular characters and using CBS IP was a huge violation to the guidelines. There's nothing in the guidelines states a fan-production get a pass because one already had funding.

If the material is in good taste, CBS should leave them be. Fan films helps the property and it drives other would be filmmakers to buy costumes or make them and create their own Trek film. CBS can't sue everybody and I think it's in poor taste when they go after some but give the biggest violator of the guidelines a pass.
STC is over. It's done. They're not doing any more Trek. Trek Continues LLC doesn't even own the sets any longer.

They stopped crowdfunding when the guidelines came out, and used private funding to finish up. From what I gather, most principal photography was already completed by that time anyway.

The STC folks have moved on to other things. Maybe that's the example to follow here. :techman:
 
STC is over. It's done. They're not doing any more Trek. Trek Continues LLC doesn't even own the sets any longer.

They stopped crowdfunding when the guidelines came out, and used private funding to finish up. From what I gather, most principal photography was already completed by that time anyway.

The STC folks have moved on to other things. Maybe that's the example to follow here. :techman:

A few of them moved on to "When the Train Stops", a Twilight-Zone-esque short film being produced by Lisa Hansel and directed by James Kerwin. It stars Vic Mignogna , Michael Forest, John Delancie and Rekha Sharma. Originally Kipleigh Brown was going to play a role, but had to bow out and Rekha stepped in. All from STC.
 
STC is over. It's done. They're not doing any more Trek. Trek Continues LLC doesn't even own the sets any longer.

They stopped crowdfunding when the guidelines came out, and used private funding to finish up. From what I gather, most principal photography was already completed by that time anyway.

The STC folks have moved on to other things. Maybe that's the example to follow here. :techman:
Oh the hell with STC, I'm interested in some other trek fanfilm projects were left cold because of the guidelines, even though those were shot first. I believe those projects should get a pass just like STC made further films after the guidelines.
 
You mean like the nearly 1700 page long Axanar thread so many keep going at least two years after it should have died?
Ok, if you really want to do it this way ...

Alec Peters still claims to be making Axanar, and is still saying that he'll need to raise funds to do it. After well over ONE MILLION DOLLARS was squandered, he still hasn't produced one frame of the "feature," and still is asking for more.

As long as he continues to put his face in the spotlight, We Who Laugh and Point will continue to ridicule His Most Precious.

We all know that you don't like STC. It's clear from the years of "critique." But that's ... ok. You're entitled to your opinion. Few of us agree with you, but you're entitled nonetheless.

If you have a viable defense for Sushi Studios, let's have it.

But please, post in the Axanar thread. We need to get it to page 1701. :techman:
 
You mean like the nearly 1700 page long Axanar thread so many keep going at least two years after it should have died?
That's a moderator issue not the members who participate in it. As for this thread, I think participators or investors who put money into a project should see the film in completion in some way or form. The loyalties should be to the investors, but CBS made guidelines and allowed their favorite to continue to make more films under their IP. I think other filmmakers should follow suit.
 
Oh the hell with STC, I'm interested in some other trek fanfilm projects were left cold because of the guidelines, even though those were shot first. I believe those projects should get a pass just like STC made further films after the guidelines.
They aren't out in the cold, as evidenced by Potemkin and all the other production groups that are still putting out films. They're carrying on like the troupers they've always been. They may have had to adapt, but adapt they have. CBS hasn't gone after anyone except Alec Peters, and he got what he begged for.

The blame for the guidelines can be placed squarely on the shoulders of Lord Precious Pants.
 
Ok, if you really want to do it this way ...

Alec Peters still claims to be making Axanar, and is still saying that he'll need to raise funds to do it. After well over ONE MILLION DOLLARS was squandered, he still hasn't produced one frame of the "feature," and still is asking for more.
He did display a trailer so this is not true.


We all know that you don't like STC. It's clear from the years of "critique." But that's ... ok. You're entitled to your opinion. Few of us agree with you, but you're entitled nonetheless.

If you have a viable defense for Sushi Studios, let's have it.

But please, post in the Axanar thread. We need to get it to page 1701. :techman:
That's mind reading and not fair. I think everyone is entitled to critique material objectively which Bixby and myself has done. Unfortunately, some Trekfans can't see STC or other projects beyond their rose colored glasses.
 
CBS made guidelines and allowed their favorite to continue
Citation? Please provide sources to CBS' announcement that STC was their favorite. If anything, James Cawley is a darling at CBS, evidenced by his license for the Set Tour. But that's neither here nor there.

Which production was "harmed" by the guidelines? Axanar? The fact that all the money was spent on creating a for-profit "studio," and from comments from AP himself, that the film was never going to be made. Even now, he's saying that he'll need additional funding to make Axanar-Lite. How long until people see a con man for what he is?

Knock, knock. Who's there? Reality.
 
They aren't out in the cold, as evidenced by Potemkin and all the other production groups that are still putting out films. They're carrying on like the troupers they've always been. They may have had to adapt, but adapt they have. CBS hasn't gone after anyone except Alec Peters, and he got what he begged for.

The blame for the guidelines can be placed squarely on the shoulders of Lord Precious Pants.
I don't care about Alec but I do think the guidelines should be ignored since 1 figure has blatantly done so with sprinkles. James Cawley had done a lot of productions before a guideline existed and some the footage is on YouTube; if he raised the money to produce these projects from investors then these people should get the project finished in whatever form possible. The hell with CBS and their biases.
 
He did display a trailer so this is not true.
The Vulcan Scene? LOL. Prelude wasn't a trailer either. It was a separately funded short, that was produced by people who had bailed well before the "feature" would have started filming.

That's mind reading and not fair. I think everyone is entitled to critique material objectively which Bixby and myself has done. Unfortunately, some Trekfans can't see STC or other projects beyond their rose colored glasses.
I wasn't talking to you. Bixby has had a problem with STC from early on.

If you're done with STC, let it go. Move along home.
 
Go on youtube and see there were 4 more STC films after the CBS guidelines. Actions speak louder than mere words.
Prove that CBS was biased in favor of STC.

The record shows that CBS and Paramount were biased against Alec Peters for collecting and spending nearly $1.5 million to produce a "studio quality" feature film, for selling Star Trek IP merchandise, and for attempting to create an independent for-profit Star Trek film studio.

Peters asked for guidelines and brags about it even now. Place blame where it belongs.
 
Prove that CBS was biased toward STC.
From my point of view the proof is in the pudding, the guidelines with posted, and STC made 4 films after it. CBS took no actions toward Vic. James Cawley stopped his production, and others like Farragut were in the middle of production and then stopped. Those guidelines were the reason productions had stopped. I didn't see CBS make any waves about Vic's continued productions, so why should anyone else??? Ignore the guidelines and claim the 501 card.
 
Ok, if you really want to do it this way ...

Alec Peters still claims to be making Axanar, and is still saying that he'll need to raise funds to do it. After well over ONE MILLION DOLLARS was squandered, he still hasn't produced one frame of the "feature," and still is asking for more.

As long as he continues to put his face in the spotlight, We Who Laugh and Point will continue to ridicule His Most Precious.

We all know that you don't like STC. It's clear from the years of "critique." But that's ... ok. You're entitled to your opinion. Few of us agree with you, but you're entitled nonetheless.

If you have a viable defense for Sushi Studios, let's have it.

But please, post in the Axanar thread. We need to get it to page 1701. :techman:
Why would I go post in Axanar's thread when I've clearly lost interest in that project years ago? But thanks for showing how double standards are alive and well.
I've also given up trying to reason with the unreasonable, I've many times mentioned how there are aspects of STC I liked, and some I didn't (once again, the lackluster and almost amateurish scripting).
''Few of us agree with you''...I didn't know offering a knowledgeable insight was a stupid thing to do in this day and age, that I was supposed to make sure to remain ''one of the boys'' first and always...
 
From my point of view the proof is in the pudding, the guidelines with posted, and STC made 4 films after it. James Cawley stopped his production, and others like Farragut were in the middle of production and then stopped. Those guidelines were the reason productions had stopped. I didn't see CBS make any waves about Vic's continued productions, so why should anyone else??? Ignore the guidelines and claim the 501 card.
Your "point of view" is not fact. STC truncated its plans and only completed what was in the pipeline. Other groups stopping productions is irrelevant.

The guidelines, as it has been pointed out to you many times, are not law. Anyone can produce anything they want, and CBS will take action when it is deemed necessary.

By the way, you can't just "claim the 501 card." That's a legal status granted by the IRS. Just saying that you're a non-profit don't make it so.

:smh:
 
Why would I go post in Axanar's thread when I've clearly lost interest in that project years ago? But thanks for showing how double standards are alive and well.
I've also given up trying to reason with the unreasonable, I've many times mentioned how there are aspects of STC I liked, and some I didn't (once again, the lackluster and almost amateurish scripting).
''Few of us agree with you''...I didn't know offering a knowledgeable insight was a stupid thing to do in this day and age, that I was supposed to make sure to remain ''one of the boys'' first and always...
As expected ... :techman:
 
This is what I think happened.

NV. Personally I think Cawley was always keen to find a way to make a buck off Star Trek, and the guidelines were a convenient reason to step off the fanfilm treadmill (and have an excuse for never delivering a bunch of unfinished shows and episodes) and monetize the assets he had. Since his shows were peppered with pro Trek people, which the guidelines don't allow, I'm guessing that further diminished any interest in contiuning.

STC had already raised money and figured they're try the "grandfathered" approach and finish what they could with the budget they'd raised, then close up shop.

Renegades chose the legally safer route of filing off the serial numbers so they could do whatever they wanted, especially since they were heavy duty into using actual Trek production people and paying them, practically their entire cast was violating the guidelines.

Intrepid, Potemkin, Valiant, et al continue with minor course adjustments.
 
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