James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful)

[Mike Have-Not]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

This reminds me of the scene in "Trouble With Tribbles" where that Klingon is seriously dissing Kirk. Scotty restrains Chekov from retaliating. But, the minute the Klingon starts to insult the Enterprise... It's on, brother!!
HAHA!

 

[Amaris]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

For what it's worth, Jamesmc, I can completely understand and respect your opinion. One of the beautiful things about Star Trek is it's respect toward IDIC. This is evident in the diverse Trek fan base. People all over the world look at Star Trek and see different reasons to love the show. Some see a simple television program, designed to entertain and nothing more. Others see it as a future possibility, something to strive toward, and still others see it as a representation of the power of achievement, of real exploration, the vast leaps science and rational thought have made in the future.

Whatever it means to you or me, it means something different to everyone else as well. You don't like the new design? That's great! Because you're still interested in seeing the movie succeed, you have a wider understanding of the importance it will bring. Personally, I think I will like the design. But that does not change my excitement for this movie either way. I want to have a real Trek movie experience, something I do not believe I had with Nemesis, and failed to see in time for any other Trek movie incarnations.

I would like to thank you, however, for all of the wonderful work you do continuing your own love of Star Trek. It takes a lot of time and effort, and Trek is obviously something you love. Anyone with a shred of integrity must give credit where it is due, and you have helped paint a masterful brush stroke in an already magnificent work. I hope you continue that work, along with your ably talented cast and crewmates.

I think we can all make Trek work for us rather than against us, and I think we should use Trek as a unifying presence, rather than a dividing one. I think Gene, regardless of his initial reasons for creating Star Trek, came to see that as a powerful motivator in his own life.

Just a few thoughts from me regarding this whole thread.


J.

 

[Cmndr J Crichton]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

sturmde said:

Cmndr J Crichton said:

Come on! Get it? You know it's funny!

I recognize Tech Sergeant Chen, but who are the others? A new crew for the NSEA Protector?!?!? I'm appalled!

What will they do next, turn a Klingon D-7 upside down, put a saucer on the front and call it a Phase II Enterprise?

OMG. It's just so awsome... awefull... awesum... offal... whatever.

Wings on the Enterprise! Get it? Sorry. It's late. Had a long day. Good night! And have a pleasent tomorrow.

 

[Holytomato]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

But...DS9 The Reboot's (Rape of My Childhood tm) "Trials and Tribblelations", and TOS-R The Third Reboot's (Second Rape of My Childhood tm) Trouble with Tribbles" were made.

 

[StCoop]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

igrokbok said:
Sorry kids, just saw the classic E on the big screen at the local theater and it looked very real and was gorgeous. Like a huge ocean liner.
The argument that the old design won't be accepted just doesn't hold any water. The proof is in the pudding, and boy, tonight the Menagerie pudding was delicous!

And of course this is a completely unbiased view and neither you nor the self-selecting group of TOS fans who were also watching it were in any way predisposed to liking it.

 

[Saul]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Wings? In space?

So does the Enterprise run on red bull now?

 

[DeafPoet]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

StCoop said:

igrokbok said:
Sorry kids, just saw the classic E on the big screen at the local theater and it looked very real and was gorgeous. Like a huge ocean liner.
The argument that the old design won't be accepted just doesn't hold any water. The proof is in the pudding, and boy, tonight the Menagerie pudding was delicous!

And of course this is a completely unbiased view and neither you nor the self-selecting group of TOS fans who were also watching it were in any way predisposed to liking it.

Yeah, I think that's what he said

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

I saw "The Menagerie" last night on a big screen as well, and of coure igrokbok way overstates the case out of enthusiasm.

It was great to see one of my favorite TOS episodes this way, but no element of the production comes close to being adequate for a feature film in 2008.

Just as when seen on TV some of the new CG spaceship work is impressive, some barely adequate - though much better than any of the brief clips of the original effects that were shown as part of the marketing piece at the beginning of the viewing - and the Enterprise itself compared very poorly to, say, the design and model used in ST:TMP.

The only aspect of the original TV series ship that I missed in the movies was the basic design of the engine nacelles - far more appealing than the Deco refit version.

 

[Kegek]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Starship Polaris said:
I saw "The Menagerie" last night on a big screen as well, and of coure igrokbok way overstates the case out of enthusiasm.

In fact, even with the CGI it doesn't compare to when I saw Forbidden Planet on the big screen last year. It's good, it's a lot of fun, it's very imaginative with its TV budget and 60s effects... but that's not quite the same.

Whatever we're getting in summer, it will be cinematic. I like to think of that as a plus.

 

[Franklin]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Dale Hoppert said:

Matt said:

Outpost4 said:
^ No, you're right. The Enterprise is at least as important as any organic character. Nobody knew this better than Roddenberry. Witness the spacedock fly around in TMP.

In most fans opinions the most boring part of the movie. It's very cool when you see the shot of the front, but come on, it lasts like an hour.

Listen folks, because James Cawley doesn't like it doesn't mean you should base your opinions on his. His production has pieces so ACCURATE to the original, that the REAL Star Trek borrowed from them. (In A Mirror Darkly)

New Voyages is on one extreme side, and the reboot "Star Trek" is on the other extreme side. I think they both provide lots of good fun and entertainment for either camp. I encourage everyone to go DL some New Voyages episodes right away. It's TOS Trek without the dust and scratches of film. Great show.

I'd say the V'ger flyover was even more dull...

I've always wondered how much the differences in opinion here depend on having seen the flyovers in the theater versus only on TV sets.
In the theater, it was worth every minute to me, anyway. If the rest of the movie had been better-paced, more people less-interested probably would've given the length of this scene a pass as a valentine.
It was like seeing your prom date dressed for the prom, or your lover naked for the first time -- and if you were lucky, both on the same night. (Oh wait, we Trek fans can't relate to those comparisons. Oh well, I let them stand. )

 

[Outpost4]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

^ Agreed. I saw this movie in the theater on the night of its debut. I remember being enchanted by the fly-around. It definitely wasn't dull.

The passage through V'ger was just confusing. I got lost. That did seem long in the theater.

And your analogy is perfect, Franklin.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Kegek said:
In fact, even with the CGI it doesn't compare to when I saw Forbidden Planet on the big screen last year. It's good, it's a lot of fun, it's very imaginative with its TV budget and 60s effects... but that's not quite the same.

This is true, but considering the differing conditions under which this and "Forbidden Planet" were made the fact that we can talk about the two in the same breath is amazing.

Although made quite a few years before Trek, "Forbidden Planet" was shot in widescreen by some of the top Hollywood talent of the day and utilizing the resources of MGM - the biggest studio at that time, I believe. The effort lavished on it was unheard of at that time, for a science fiction film - I believe the eventual cost was over four million dollars. Every shot composition, every bit of design and costuming and set work was executed for the big screen by experts in their fields.

"The Cage" was made about a decade later for less than ten percent of FP's budget, by a television studio that was barely staying in business from year to year.

 

[Kegek]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Starship Polaris said:
Although made quite a few years before Trek, "Forbidden Planet" was shot in widescreen by some of the top Hollywood talent of the day and utilizing the resources of MGM - the biggest studio at that time, I believe. The effort lavished on it was unheard of at that time, for a science fiction film - I believe the eventual cost was over four million dollars. Every shot composition, every bit of design and costuming and set work was executed for the big screen by experts in their fields.

Indeed. But isn't that the kind of standards one should compare Abrams' film, which IIRC i going to be one of the most expensive Star Trek films made, rather than two episodes of a TV show?

"The Cage" was made about a decade later for less than ten percent of FP's budget, by a television studio that was barely staying in business from year to year.

Like I said... very imaginative with its budget. It's a triumph of cost-effective effects and storytelling.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Kegek said:
Indeed. But isn't that the kind of standards one should compare Abrams' film...

I'm not sure that would be fair to Abrams.

 

[Kegek]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Starship Polaris said:
I'm not sure that would be fair to Abrams.

Conceded.

Well, it's what I'd like a Star Trek film to be like. It's certainly better than the ten and counting we've had so far...

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Cary L. Brown said:

Ahhhh. Daren's model is truly lovely. A pity we likely won't see something like this on the big screen, but at least we have artistry like this to admire. :thumbsup:

 

[ST-One]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Professor Moriarty said:

Cary L. Brown said:

Ahhhh. Daren's model is truly lovely. A pity we likely won't see something like this on the big screen, but at least we have artistry like this to admire. :thumbsup:

You could show us yours too

BTW: Were this SFM or LWG I would point out that the light cast by the main light source is shining through the windows on the port side of the saucer's underside

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

StCoop said:

Cary L. Brown said:
So, aside from saying "it's from the 1960s" (which is true but totally meaningless), I'd love to hear a logical, reasoned argument for what SPECIFICS of this design are "bad."

It's too bland and featureless. Thirty years of far more detailed models and CGI have given the audience expectations that reach beyond something that looks like it should be hanging from a pices of fishing wire.

I wanted to expand on this a little bit.

Today I became aware, for the first time, of the design of the new, next-generation surface combatant for the US Navy. It's called the Zumwalt class destroyer.

Check out this page and you'll see an example of the "real world looks smooth" ethic in reality.

http://www.ddg1000.com/home/

Worth looking over. The only stuff that's exposed is what's necessary to be exposed. Everything else is behind flush-mounted panels.

Pretty cool, actually... and it just got green-lighted for production.

 

[lonewriter]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

you have to be a member to see that forum and I have no desire to. Besides, I can say I have friends in high places too and say the new Enterprise is pink and has propellers.

 

[Noname Given]

General_Custer said:
Over at the New Voyages website James Cawley who plays Kirk has answered threads that he has seen the ship and has confirmed that it has been redesigned and he doesn't like it. He said he had friends in high places and they showed it to him when he was out there. It does not even resemble the one that we know of in the original series and was pissed they didn't keep it true because Star Trek has stayed alive for 40+ years because we love what we see. It has wings. If there is any source to trust then it is Cawley since Paramount gave him permission to create New Voyages and he has spent 100s of thousands of dollars of his own on sets and costumes from the original series. I will try to get a link to the threads. I think he is right when he says you shouldnt change something that has worked for all these years such as the Original Series. Anyway are ou ready to see the ship with wings?

Oh please - to be honest, given the level of 'recasting' he's been involved with on his own projects, he's one to talk. Never before "New Voyages" did 'James T. Kirk' sport an Elvis hair style.

Look, I do like New Voyages to a degree; but given the retooling and retconing his group has done (hey look, it's James T. Kirk from the 24th century ); he the LAST PERSON who should throw stones. Also, remember the effects are still in the pre-production phase. One might want to wait until one sees the finished product before whining.