James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful)
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Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Hey, it could be happening. It could! It really, really could! Any one of us could be on the production team. Really. Matt?
Personally, I'm waiting for the reveal of Kirk's command chair ejection seat function.
As for everything else in this thread....
*pulls out popcorn, kicks back and reads*
Samuel T. Cogley said:
Hey, it could be happening. It could! It really, really could! Any one of us could be on the production team. Really. Matt?
Personally, I'm waiting for the reveal of Kirk's command chair ejection seat function.
As for everything else in this thread....
*pulls out popcorn, kicks back and reads*
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
The "loving flyover" of Enterprise was mishandled. They could have done the same sequence with some voice lines between Kirk and Scotty... put some HUMAN INTERACTION into it... and it would have accomplished the same thing (giving the "hardcore fans" a close look at the ship) without causing the rest of the audience to feel like they were watching their parents having sex. (That's how an old girlfriend of mine explained it... you know, it's nice that the lovers get their time but sheesh, do I have to watch it???)
The V'Ger flyover wasn't TOO bad... I mean, once they hit the real ship. It was about four times longer than it should have been. SOMEONE thought that would give it a sense of "wonder" and "size" but half the audience recognized the re-used Cylon BaseStar model, just for example...
But the totally unacceptable part was the "cloud flythrough" where there was NOTHING to do for quite a few minutes except for look at LSD-hallucinations on the big screen.
Cut out the cloud bit entirely, shift the V'Ger flyover to a much shorter bit (or at least give us some interesting dialog besides "dude, wow, this is cool, Captain") and the whole "Nogura and getting the ship back" conversation over the top of the Enterprise inspection, and it would've worked a lot better. IMHO, of course.
Yep. I think that the only folks who really enjoyed that part were the ones who also would go and watch the laser shows at the planetarium, stoned.
The "loving flyover" of Enterprise was mishandled. They could have done the same sequence with some voice lines between Kirk and Scotty... put some HUMAN INTERACTION into it... and it would have accomplished the same thing (giving the "hardcore fans" a close look at the ship) without causing the rest of the audience to feel like they were watching their parents having sex. (That's how an old girlfriend of mine explained it... you know, it's nice that the lovers get their time but sheesh, do I have to watch it???)
The V'Ger flyover wasn't TOO bad... I mean, once they hit the real ship. It was about four times longer than it should have been. SOMEONE thought that would give it a sense of "wonder" and "size" but half the audience recognized the re-used Cylon BaseStar model, just for example...
But the totally unacceptable part was the "cloud flythrough" where there was NOTHING to do for quite a few minutes except for look at LSD-hallucinations on the big screen.
Cut out the cloud bit entirely, shift the V'Ger flyover to a much shorter bit (or at least give us some interesting dialog besides "dude, wow, this is cool, Captain") and the whole "Nogura and getting the ship back" conversation over the top of the Enterprise inspection, and it would've worked a lot better. IMHO, of course.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Best way to show/get to know the ship: Actually doing something, introducing it "on the go".
All that gawking really undermined TMP.
Sharr
Best way to show/get to know the ship: Actually doing something, introducing it "on the go".
All that gawking really undermined TMP.
Sharr
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Come on! Get it? You know it's funny! 
Come on! Get it? You know it's funny! Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Now you're stealing my act, Cogley. You're better than that, dude.
Samuel T. Cogley said:
Now you're stealing my act, Cogley. You're better than that, dude.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
I recognize Tech Sergeant Chen, but who are the others? A new crew for the NSEA Protector?!?!? I'm appalled!
What will they do next, turn a Klingon D-7 upside down, put a saucer on the front and call it a Phase II Enterprise?
OMG. It's just so awsome... awefull... awesum... offal... whatever.
Cmndr J Crichton said:
I recognize Tech Sergeant Chen, but who are the others? A new crew for the NSEA Protector?!?!? I'm appalled!
What will they do next, turn a Klingon D-7 upside down, put a saucer on the front and call it a Phase II Enterprise?
OMG. It's just so awsome... awefull... awesum... offal... whatever.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
The real question is what do people think of mr. Cawley's New Voyages. I loved it at first. I thought it was electrifying and captured the right spirit and writing of TOS but now I'm not so sure. Something is wrong with it and possibly the whole premise of ST itself. IMO.
The real question is what do people think of mr. Cawley's New Voyages. I loved it at first. I thought it was electrifying and captured the right spirit and writing of TOS but now I'm not so sure. Something is wrong with it and possibly the whole premise of ST itself. IMO.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Sorry kids, just saw the classic E on the big screen at the local theater and it looked very real and was gorgeous. Like a huge ocean liner.
The argument that the old design won't be accepted just doesn't hold any water. The proof is in the pudding, and boy, tonight the Menagerie pudding was delicous!
Sorry kids, just saw the classic E on the big screen at the local theater and it looked very real and was gorgeous. Like a huge ocean liner.
The argument that the old design won't be accepted just doesn't hold any water. The proof is in the pudding, and boy, tonight the Menagerie pudding was delicous!
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
i wonder if this time travel based storyline might not feature two versions of Enterprise - the one we recognize and another version that might be the result of a different timeline/history due to Romulan meddling?
i wonder if this time travel based storyline might not feature two versions of Enterprise - the one we recognize and another version that might be the result of a different timeline/history due to Romulan meddling?
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
One presumes this is an attempt at subtle witty jabbing at those looking forward to this new film and agianst anyone who might have issues ever with Star Trek or GR's "genius"...
Not so witty.
As for Mr. Cawley, I would definitely say I am a fan of NV's no question I've loved since I first stumbled on it even despite its flaws.
The difference between NV and this current production is 1 NV is meant to be exclusive to those already invested in Star Trek, 2 isn't a business venture in any form, and 3 doesn't have to worry about pleasing anyone outside of those who make there are no investors to answer to or make back their investment. This also in part applies to the the showing of 'The Menagerie' on the big screen - that is aimed at existing aficionados not looking to expand said fanbase.
I've only gathered from this dust up that Mr. Cawley's opinion is likely colored by his personal tastes. Since he was very unspecific anyone with common sense would take a literal: "Wait and see" approach to the matter.
If you're really looking for an insight into the design ethic here I suggest glancing at our look a Spock.
Sharr
One presumes this is an attempt at subtle witty jabbing at those looking forward to this new film and agianst anyone who might have issues ever with Star Trek or GR's "genius"...
Not so witty.
As for Mr. Cawley, I would definitely say I am a fan of NV's no question I've loved since I first stumbled on it even despite its flaws.
The difference between NV and this current production is 1 NV is meant to be exclusive to those already invested in Star Trek, 2 isn't a business venture in any form, and 3 doesn't have to worry about pleasing anyone outside of those who make there are no investors to answer to or make back their investment. This also in part applies to the the showing of 'The Menagerie' on the big screen - that is aimed at existing aficionados not looking to expand said fanbase.
I've only gathered from this dust up that Mr. Cawley's opinion is likely colored by his personal tastes. Since he was very unspecific anyone with common sense would take a literal: "Wait and see" approach to the matter.
If you're really looking for an insight into the design ethic here I suggest glancing at our look a Spock.
Sharr
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Yup...I did too and I have to say that seeing the original ship, on a movie screen, was a dream come true. So I finally got to see it and yes, it held up just beautifully.
The audience I saw it with had a great sense of humour, and laughed at some of the goofier parts. But people were entranced when the showed the Enterprise. I heard a "Holy shit!" "Niiiiice" and "Awesome!" from some of the people near me.
Before the show there was some stuff with Eugene Roddenberry, the remastered team, music etc, and they showed many brief scenes of the Enterprise from many different re-mastered eps. Looked freakin gorgeous on a movie screen.
Especially after the show, when they showed a preview for Season 2 re-mastered DVDs. Man, the quick shots of the Doomsday Machine were beyond cool! Hell yes, I'd pay again to see THAT one on the big screen.
All the remastered FX looked great....especially that super close side view flyby! Man, if you missed this....you really missed out on something.
As for the new Enterprise, ideally I'd like to see it with just a tad more detail, hull plating etc, and that's it. Greeblys don't a starship make. And at this point, Trek needs a visual identity that is fresh and unique compared to other sci-fi. And ironically, that is the relatively smooth skinned look of the original and her movie counterpart. Greebly ships are pretty much cliche as they've been the standard fare for thirty damn years.
IMHO they need to stick with the roots, go for that unique visual identity, and jettison the crap fanboy wank designs of DS9 and up. At least that's how this artist see's it.
Yup...I did too and I have to say that seeing the original ship, on a movie screen, was a dream come true. So I finally got to see it and yes, it held up just beautifully.
The audience I saw it with had a great sense of humour, and laughed at some of the goofier parts. But people were entranced when the showed the Enterprise. I heard a "Holy shit!" "Niiiiice" and "Awesome!" from some of the people near me.
Before the show there was some stuff with Eugene Roddenberry, the remastered team, music etc, and they showed many brief scenes of the Enterprise from many different re-mastered eps. Looked freakin gorgeous on a movie screen.
Especially after the show, when they showed a preview for Season 2 re-mastered DVDs. Man, the quick shots of the Doomsday Machine were beyond cool! Hell yes, I'd pay again to see THAT one on the big screen.
All the remastered FX looked great....especially that super close side view flyby! Man, if you missed this....you really missed out on something.
As for the new Enterprise, ideally I'd like to see it with just a tad more detail, hull plating etc, and that's it. Greeblys don't a starship make. And at this point, Trek needs a visual identity that is fresh and unique compared to other sci-fi. And ironically, that is the relatively smooth skinned look of the original and her movie counterpart. Greebly ships are pretty much cliche as they've been the standard fare for thirty damn years.
IMHO they need to stick with the roots, go for that unique visual identity, and jettison the crap fanboy wank designs of DS9 and up. At least that's how this artist see's it.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Hi there! I'm coming in late...
1. Matt Jefferies' TOS Sketchbook had the Pre Cage Enterprise in TMP Refit design mode with warp nacelles that were given to the Enterprise-E.
2. I can't wait to see the new movie. Its a remake of TOS. :Cheer:
3. What I'm taking from James' comment is that the new cgi model has more elements from the TMP Refit. I'm imagining a cross between Gabe's design, the parody Star Trek XI design someone did as a gag, the TOS design crossed with the NX-01, and the TMP Refit; Adam Turner's, and Star Trek: Legacy.
3. The ship from Star Trek III that looks like the future NX-01 was originally going to be the Excelsior. Also, obviously has a FASA Star Trek RPG influence. This became the Akira, (more stuff on it, oval main section, new nacelles, etc). Then color change- change nacelles. Presto! Its the Akiraprise! The original Star Trek III Excelsior (which it should have been. Not what they did use) design works better without all that stuff on it. It was never used on screen. The Akiraprise is called the Akiraprise for a reason.
4. James is not the Anti Christ.
...non manipulated pics of Quinto as Spock!?
1AM. Oh come on! :YAWN: tomorrow I look.
Hi there! I'm coming in late...
1. Matt Jefferies' TOS Sketchbook had the Pre Cage Enterprise in TMP Refit design mode with warp nacelles that were given to the Enterprise-E.
2. I can't wait to see the new movie. Its a remake of TOS. :Cheer:
3. What I'm taking from James' comment is that the new cgi model has more elements from the TMP Refit. I'm imagining a cross between Gabe's design, the parody Star Trek XI design someone did as a gag, the TOS design crossed with the NX-01, and the TMP Refit; Adam Turner's, and Star Trek: Legacy.
3. The ship from Star Trek III that looks like the future NX-01 was originally going to be the Excelsior. Also, obviously has a FASA Star Trek RPG influence. This became the Akira, (more stuff on it, oval main section, new nacelles, etc). Then color change- change nacelles. Presto! Its the Akiraprise! The original Star Trek III Excelsior (which it should have been. Not what they did use) design works better without all that stuff on it. It was never used on screen. The Akiraprise is called the Akiraprise for a reason.
4. James is not the Anti Christ.
...non manipulated pics of Quinto as Spock!?
1AM. Oh come on! :YAWN: tomorrow I look.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
That's actually done with a scanner, and too much free time! I actually don't have photoshop...That simple manip was very difficult for me! It was fun though...I'll go back to my day job now.
sturmde said:
Cmndr J Crichton said:
I recognize Tech Sergeant Chen, but who are the others? A new crew for the NSEA Protector?!?!? I'm appalled!
What will they do next, turn a Klingon D-7 upside down, put a saucer on the front and call it a Phase II Enterprise?
OMG. It's just so awsome... awefull... awesum... offal... whatever.
That's actually done with a scanner, and too much free time! I actually don't have photoshop...That simple manip was very difficult for me! It was fun though...I'll go back to my day job now.
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