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Spoilers Jack Crusher's "Accelerated Training Program"

Less than that. She was still a Fenris Ranger in 2399, when Season 1 takes place. Season 3 takes place at the end of 2401. She's formally been in Star Fleet 2 1/2 years max. However, Star Fleet often gives the equivalent of 'life experience' credits to those who've done exceptional things, so Seven being XO on the Titan and now the Captain of Enterprise G fits.

Jack getting into an accelerated program.. that has to be nepotism. The boy should be in prison, seeing as he went to the Borg voluntarily, not fast tracked through Star Fleet.

Jack has a valid defense considering that he was under the control of the Borg Queen, had been genetically engineered to be under her control, and successfully fought her off. Of course he would not be prosecuted as none of it was his fault. His other offenses sound like the Robin Hood variety. Given the circumstances and who his parents are, he’d be pardoned and put on the fast track in Starfleet.
 
Frankly the only reason he probably didn't start as a lieutenant was to avoid more obvious nepotism accusations.
I think a field promotion will be in order within the year and he’ll have his own command before he turns 30. The optics would appeal to his superiors and he probably will actually deserve it.
 
Stealing the Enterprise, disobeying multiple orders, violating Genesis quarantine, destroying the Enterprise, hindering prosecution, obstruction of justice..

And that is just the start
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  • Violating a direct order.
  • Theft of government property.
  • Sabotage of government property.
  • Violating a quarantine zone.
  • Brig break.
  • Dereliction of duty, as they all left their assigned posts.
  • AWOL
  • Destruction of government property, both the Enterprise and prison property.
  • Assault.
Never mind the the death of Klingon officers.
 
Seven-of-Nine has only been in Starfleet for 1 1/2 years. She was not in Starfleet during Season 2. In fact, she had revealed that Janeway had tried and failed to get her into Starfleet during that season. For me, this is just bad writing in order to make Seven a high-ranking Starfleet officer. I realize many of you don't mind, but I cannot accept this. End of story.
It's can't even be that long, Season 2 also takes place in 2401 and Frontier Day is April 12.

Most of the things in Season 3 point towards it being several years after Seasons 1/2, but they seemed to have screwed up the math on 250 years since the launch of NX-01, but stuck with that instead of simply defining "Frontier Day" differently.
 
Maybe Raffi donated some of her time-in-grade to Seven. She became Picard's XO almost twenty years earlier, and she's still sitting in the right-hand chair after all that time. She uncovered two different infiltration of Starfleet by three groups of hostile aliens, that has to count for an extra pip at some point.
 
Seven-of-Nine has only been in Starfleet for 1 1/2 years. She was not in Starfleet during Season 2. In fact, she had revealed that Janeway had tried and failed to get her into Starfleet during that season. For me, this is just bad writing in order to make Seven a high-ranking Starfleet officer. I realize many of you don't mind, but I cannot accept this. End of story.
You're right. 1 1/2 years. I did my maths wrong. Sorry.
 
He studied at Oxford, has a degree, can pilot and maintain a ship, hold his own in a fight, speaks multiple languages, can do some field medical care, etc. He isn’t a green 16 or 18 year old. An accelerated training program and a post as Ensign isn’t that far fetched.

Good point. :shifty:
 
Jack has a valid defense considering that he was under the control of the Borg Queen, had been genetically engineered to be under her control, and successfully fought her off. Of course he would not be prosecuted as none of it was his fault.
I don't buy that. If the Queen had that much control over Jack, why bother having Vadic sent out to capture him for 3/4 of the whole season? No. What Jack did in going to the Borg Queen was of his own free will and who how many lives were lost because of his decision.

And why would he want to join Starfleet anyways?
 
Jack had a pretty extraordinary record of accomplishment working for Mariposas -- he's an extraordinary intelligent and competent person who's demonstrated on numerous occasions he's tactically adept and capable of marshaling significant leadership skills. Sounds to me like training for a year and then getting a commission as ensign is very reasonable.

Wes was a real ensign before he was at the academy (someone fact check me) so maybe good DNA/nepotism combo
 
Wes was a real ensign before he was at the academy (someone fact check me) so maybe good DNA/nepotism combo

Wes's status was kind of weird. He was "acting ensign" for a while and then in "Menage A Troi" he was supposed to hitch a ride to the Academy on the USS Bradbury but missed it due to helping rescue Riker and the Trois. Picard then says he's been "acting ensign" in name only and gives him a field promotion to full ensign..essentially semi-drafting him into Starfleet as an officer

It didn't make a bit of sense because Wes wasn't actually a cadet at the time, just doing studies to prepare to go so he wasn't anything like a Midshipman or such.

But it was very TNG.
 
Yeah that's what I thought, before he actually went. But then after he goes, they call him 'cadet'. Nevertheless, brilliant crusher boys/famous parents.
 
I don't buy that. If the Queen had that much control over Jack, why bother having Vadic sent out to capture him for 3/4 of the whole season? No. What Jack did in going to the Borg Queen was of his own free will and who how many lives were lost because of his decision.

The Changelings repeatedly acted as though they expected Jack to want to come with them. He didn't realize what he was doing, but when he opened the door in his mind, he was surrendering to the Queen's order to come to her, but on the other hand, the Changelings didn't seem to know he'd been resisting that compulsion without realizing it.
 
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I don't buy that. If the Queen had that much control over Jack, why bother having Vadic sent out to capture him for 3/4 of the whole season? No. What Jack did in going to the Borg Queen was of his own free will and who how many lives were lost because of his decision.

And why would he want to join Starfleet anyways?

Mind control by the Borg is a get out of jail free card, like it or not.
 
I don't have a problem between with Crusher being able to go through some accelerated OCS. I remember about 17 years ago I was considering going to Coast Guard Reserves and it would have been about 17 weeks in OCS to petty officer and assignment. They had nothing open near me that I was interested in that didn't involve a horrible drive once a month, so i said no.

But I do think his special counselor position is silly.
 
I said this in another thread, but Jack's title is "Special Counselor to the Captain" i.e. "Captain's Assistant", which is the same "title" they gave little Naomi Wildman to make her feel like she was helping.

No, "special counselor" means it's his job to give advice to the captain on issues that can't be assigned in advance to a particular portfolio. AKA, his job is to use his space version of "street smarts" to advise her. That's a very different thing from asking the eqivalent-of-a-9-year-old to fetch coffee.

Seven-of-Nine has only been in Starfleet for 1 1/2 years. She was not in Starfleet during Season 2. In fact, she had revealed that Janeway had tried and failed to get her into Starfleet during that season. For me, this is just bad writing in order to make Seven a high-ranking Starfleet officer. I realize many of you don't mind, but I cannot accept this. End of story.

I mean, you can chose not to accept it if you want, but in real life people can be commissioned to advanced ranks in recognition of an extraordinary record of service and accomplishment in other defense organizations. Seven of Nine's career more than warrants being commissioned directly to commander.

Jack has a valid defense considering that he was under the control of the Borg Queen, had been genetically engineered to be under her control,

To be clear, I don't think he had been intentionally genetically engineered to be under her control. He inherited some of the undetected genetic modifications made to Jean-Luc by happenstance, and those modifications made him susceptible to her control once he opened the Red Door. But I do think we should be clear that this was opportunistic on the Queen's part, not pre-planned.

and successfully fought her off. Of course he would not be prosecuted as none of it was his fault. His other offenses sound like the Robin Hood variety. Given the circumstances and who his parents are, he’d be pardoned and put on the fast track in Starfleet.

Exactly -- except I don't think the identity of his parents was relevant in his pardons or in being fast-tracked in Starfleet.

I don't buy that. If the Queen had that much control over Jack, why bother having Vadic sent out to capture him for 3/4 of the whole season?

Because she only gained that mental control once he decided to open the Red Door. He literally went from being so terrified of the Door that he was crying to developing a flat affect and a rambling speech about perfection and purpose once he decided to journey to the Red Door to open it. They were very clear that the decision to open the Red Door did something to his mind.

And why would he want to join Starfleet anyways?

This I think is a valid critique. Jack is definitely someone skeptical of institutions, and at first glance it seems inconsistent with his personality that he would join Starfleet. I would imagine that it would take the combination of seeing the best of Starfleet in the form of Our Heroes plus seeing the institution recognize its flaw and make allowances for rogue actions (such as the Titan-A going rogue, seeing Seven of Nine given the authority to act in her best judgment, Picard & co. hijacking the Enterprise-D) for him to be willing to give Starfleet a chance.
 
Jack should have been "Yeoman". And Wes should have been attending "command training", after getting a field promotion. They could have still had the same issues (i.e. lying for a friend), and then get busted down to "cadet" for his efforts.
 
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