It's actually astonishing that the Jabba/Leia scenes in ROTJ didn't cause a scandal, back in 1983

[Nerys Myk]

It was the 70s.

Blond hair with big boobs is hot.

Brown hair with medium boobs is your mother.

The instructions were no blond bombshell with a massive wrack.

As a former 70's hormonal teenager, I'm gonna say nope. Lotta of attractive brunettes in the 70s with "racks" of varying size.

My mistake.

https://latterdaysaintmag.com/11-hollywood-movies-with-unexpected-mormon-connections/

It was a mormon film producer, not the entire Church of Latter Day saints themselves, but the money Gary Kurtz put into Star Wars allowed him to make creative decisions on the project, which were made from a pious/virtuous Mormon perspective.

I'm gonna need more than an LDS site saying Kurtz is a Mormon. Wiki says Kurtz was a Quaker. Not sure Kurtz put any money into Star Wars. I thought the money came from FOX.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I saw this Mormon thing in a movie about Star Wars. No idea which one.

Some one said "with the profits you make from this science fiction movie, you can make 10 religious movies."

 

[Nerys Myk]

I saw this Mormon thing in a movie about Star Wars. No idea which one.

Some one said "with the profits you make from this science fiction movie, you can make 10 religious movies."

Which he doesn't seem to have done.

 

[Commander Troi]

As a former 70's hormonal teenager, I'm gonna say nope. Lotta of attractive brunettes in the 70s with "racks" of varying size.

Given the number of men I know who had crushes on Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island, I gotta agree.

 

[Reverend]

I'm gonna need more than an LDS site saying Kurtz is a Mormon. Wiki says Kurtz was a Quaker. Not sure Kurtz put any money into Star Wars. I thought the money came from FOX.

Yeah, Kurtz didn't provide any kind of financing that I'm aware of. Indeed, it was quite the opposite since "Star Wars" gave him money, because: producer. He had the input that he did while he was there, because again: producer. And he left when said input and producing was no longer in line with how Lucas (the person making the actual decisions) wanted it to go.

I think on Empire the lion's share of the financing came from Lucas, since he wanted to maintain his independence (though there may have been a bank loan in there somewhere too.) Fox was more than willing to pay of course. Eager even . . . just so long as they got to control everything and keep most of the profits, probably including a massive chunk of the merch rights. And also can knock 10% off the budget, and include some of that disco music everyone loves instead of that stuffy of orchestra?

People often criticise Star Wars as a franchise because of how hard in Lucas went on merchandising, but all of those toys, lunchboxes and breakfast cereals (no flamethrowers) are what paid for the subsequent movies and made sure that they weren't soulless profit driven cash-grabs.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Given the number of men I know who had crushes on Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island, I gotta agree.

They say Mary-Ann because they don't want to seem superficial, by picking Lovey Howell's money.

She was 64 when the show started.

If you kept her happy three times a week until Thurston dies of maybe natural causes, then you're sitting pretty with caviar wishes and champagne dreams back on the mainland.

 

[XCV330]

It was the 80s: kids were allowed to watch a wider variety of things. It was a better way.

Hell, my parents let me watch "Blame it on Rio" the next year. For which I am extremely grateful.


Being an 80's kid, I'll never adapt to the current, bizarre, puritanism. The pendulum will swing back. it always does.

 

[Christopher]

Being an 80's kid, I'll never adapt to the current, bizarre, puritanism. The pendulum will swing back. it always does.

I don't disagree, but the downside of the sexy stuff in '80s media was that there was a great deal of misogyny and objectification of women. A lot of the modern attitude is a reaction against that pervasive sexism, which is good, but it sometimes goes too far in stigmatizing all sexually themed content, not just sexist content. I hope for a time when we find the right balance, a healthy acceptance of sexuality without gender inequality or disrespect.

 

[fireproof78]

Hell, my parents let me watch "Blame it on Rio" the next year. For which I am extremely grateful.


Being an 80's kid, I'll never adapt to the current, bizarre, puritanism. The pendulum will swing back. it always does.

It's not puritanical to want people not to be treated as sex objects.

 

[Christopher]

It's not puritanical to want people not to be treated as sex objects.

Not all sexual content is objectifying, though. Sexiness and sexism are two different things.

 

[fireproof78]

Not all sexual content is objectifying, though. Sexiness and sexism are two different things.

Some times. I air on the side of caution.

 

[Christopher]

Some times.

Uh, yes, that's what "not all" means.

 

[fireproof78]

Uh, yes, that's what "not all" means.

No shit.

More my point is that if I have to choose then I'll ere away from it to avoid objectification.

 

[XCV330]

It's not puritanical to want people not to be treated as sex objects.

Rarely do people on a moral improvement campaign say "yes.. that's good. we've done enough". This is not to say that I don't recognize that the pendulum always swings too far the other way. The only thing that will change is the frequency of oscillation. Opinions need to change faster and faster to promote views in this strange infotainment economy. I believe in 2014 we had a number of erudite writers declaring how J-Lo and Iggy's "Booty" was an empowering feminist statement. How long ago was that.

To the original post, the only thing I recall being scandalous was the Leia and Luke as siblings thing. That was weird. Leia in the slave bikini didn't bother me. Anyone had seen more skin than that just watching broadcast television. We saw more skin on Luke in the bacta tank one movie earlier. It was cool she was the one to kill Jabba, though.

It's also interesting that it is Leia's costume that people are worried about. Oola was a minor character, and the actress was black so it's still acceptable that she be sexually objectified, right? Moralizers have to make a little room, don't they? Though in this era of every old Mattel toy getting a series, perhaps we'll get the Oola and Bossk Variety show in a few years. Maybe she'll perform in a burqa.

I found the idea that Jabba had robots torturing robots (and that robots could be tortured) probably more disturbing than anything else in the movie, honestly.

 

[fireproof78]

It's also interesting that it is Leia's costume that people are worried about. Oola was a minor character, and the actress was black so it's still acceptable that she be sexually objectified, right? Moralizers have to make a little room, don't they?

Oola's outfit is worse. There is no room. Objectification sucks.

 

[valkyrie013]

What's puritanical..
Is that some games, usually anime based, but some western ones, that censor content .
Say, a Japanese game, released in japan, they make a localized version, English dialogue etc. But also censored content , even to the point of altering costumes. Not practically nude costumes, costume has cleavage.. It's covered up. Etc.
As said, the pendulum is swinging to far to the purtanianal side.. Just because it's sexy, doesn't mean it's objectification

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know where this puritanical swing is but I'm not seeing it.

 

[dupersuper]

I don't know where this puritanical swing is but I'm not seeing it.

I'm not even sure what I'd be looking for. Would it be, like, the opposite of a sex swing?

 

[valkyrie013]

I don't know where this puritanical swing is but I'm not seeing it.

To me..
It's the shift to do something before there's a potential or likely a nonexistant problem.

Make a main female character as drab as possible so not to offend Twitter mob, or whomever would be offended by a sexy girl or guy. But be proactive before anybody says a thing. And take it to a degree that is way to far.

As said.. A sexy game character, have there costume modified to not offend the "westren" audience. They don't want to be pinged by some Twitter karen .. So they change it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm going to google "slutty Karen Halloween costume" and see what happens.

6 million results.

https://www.popbuzz.com/internet/viral/karen-halloween-costume-wig-spirit/