That was more the fans fault, they never gave any of the new aliens in VOY a chance and kept howling for the familiar aliens so the crew just gave them what they wanted.
Issues with Voyager
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That was more the fans fault, they never gave any of the new aliens in VOY a chance and kept howling for the familiar aliens so the crew just gave them what they wanted.
I agree with Anwar. I don't think the new aliens were ever given a chance with Voy and that's one of it's faults..but it's becuase of the fans..they were always up in arms about some alien on the show. But what do you expect?
I also agree with the previous statement Anwar made about Captain Proton or any holodeck program. That is what made Voy what it was=it's really cool holodeck programs. And I liked a story within a story. I had no problem with it(except Spirit Folk and Fair Haven..BLEH!). And I also liked the idea of the Doc's mobile emitter although I could see why some fans were upset about that. The Doc was just a trick of light and only needed the limitations of the sickbay.
You know what I think would have been better?? If they had MADE the Doc LOOK holographic(kinda like in the Time Machine where he goes to the year 2030 and there is a holographic projection in a library). That would have made the show a bit more interesting I think. 
But I still loved the Doc nontheless. He was always cracking me up, especialy in the Tinker Tenor ep. 
I never liked the direction they went with the EMH. In fact, it's one of the down points I had for Voyager, a real issue.
The EMH was just a trick of light. That was his whole concept. He, like Data & Spock, was there to learn about humanity. His upside was that he was programmed to respond certain ways to appear as if knew how to be sympathetic or caring.
This whole thing they did where the EMH was a self-absorbed jackass really annoyed me. As a program designed to be a doctor, he should have been more likely to go in the direction of caring and being very apt to do what was best for everyone BUT himself... not the other way around.
Yeah, there are some cute episodes that come with his personality, but I just never thought that was the right personality to give him when it was said and done.
The EMH was just a trick of light. That was his whole concept. He, like Data & Spock, was there to learn about humanity. His upside was that he was programmed to respond certain ways to appear as if knew how to be sympathetic or caring.
This whole thing they did where the EMH was a self-absorbed jackass really annoyed me. As a program designed to be a doctor, he should have been more likely to go in the direction of caring and being very apt to do what was best for everyone BUT himself... not the other way around.
Yeah, there are some cute episodes that come with his personality, but I just never thought that was the right personality to give him when it was said and done.
Agreed - bad idea (not Picardo's fault) actually he could have been the new McCoy being a machine and not having a real personality he could have clashed with the crews emotions in a way that woul;d have allowed for a way to express the tension of the episodes
Well i think if you objectively look at the show you'd have to admit it was a major diappointment at many levels - compared to classic scifi story telliing, drama, the art of story telling and TOS
So I take it you're not a fan? 
The puns aren't funny, by the way.
The puns aren't funny, by the way.
Well, it might have helped if most of Voyagers aliens didn't suck . . .
Apparently Starfleet agrees with you, as this was a plot point in later DS9 and VOY episodes. The EMH unit was decommissioned and used for dilithium mining.
And we think Andy Dick is any better?
I laughed my ass off when they told us in season 2's projections that Barclay wrote the Doctor's interpersonal subroutines.
I laughed my ass off when they told us in season 2's projections that Barclay wrote the Doctor's interpersonal subroutines.
No, and neither did the fleet. That's why we see Bashir being used for a LMH
Hey... the guy knew how to write good holograms... why not let him have some fun with the doc
But the Ferengi designed a hologram (Well, I suppose if he didn't have to also be a doctor space in the code isn't at such a premium.) a billion times more likable than the Doctor.
The line about Barclay, funny as it was was probably written by some one who hadn't considering any of Barclays subsequent episodes where he gained a little depth and character as the years on TNG ticked by.
The LMH was scrapped during Doctor Bashir I Presume, or at least Bashir's template and that was 11 months before message in a bottle. Besides an EMH II is still no LMH. Still a tool and not crew.
The line about Barclay, funny as it was was probably written by some one who hadn't considering any of Barclays subsequent episodes where he gained a little depth and character as the years on TNG ticked by.
The LMH was scrapped during Doctor Bashir I Presume, or at least Bashir's template and that was 11 months before message in a bottle. Besides an EMH II is still no LMH. Still a tool and not crew.
True, but "Reg" wasn't a doctor
And the ferengi didn't design it, they merely reprogrammed it
I assume that Bashir was no longer used (altho I guess it's still possible), but that the program still continued.
They take time... You make do with what you have in the field until you get something better.
Well, the LMH would still be a tool as well... But to me thats the crux of it... the EMH (regardless of version) was designed to be a short term supplement to the medical team aboard a ship. Perhaps an emergency surgery if the CMO is elsewhere or perhaps doesn't know exactly how... The LMH was the CMO. You would still benefit from having both programs in starfleet. I have little doubt that the LMH is a much larger program, and in battle field front line units, the smaller the program, the better.
The Kazon blew. They looked and acted like low-rent Klingons. The Vidiians were all right, but we never really saw too much of them (which was the point).
Not really, we didn't see a lot of the same races because of Jeri Taylor. She thought it would be silly for VOY to keep seeing the same aliens repeatedly (which would develop them) since they were always on the move and once Piller was gone she made sure any race-building he had established was swept away.
She also was the one who was against the show having a darker tone and inter-crew tensions. She also wanted to do more holonovel stories.
So one big plus would've been to not include her as a producer.
She also was the one who was against the show having a darker tone and inter-crew tensions. She also wanted to do more holonovel stories.
So one big plus would've been to not include her as a producer.
Actually, I would have liked it if Janeway had developed a cure for them... now the moral question... do you do the right thing and help bring their suffering to an end OR do you withhold the cure as long as possible and then transmit it OR do you not tell them at all...
The could have done so much with the vidiians... such a shame
Not sure what you mean by this without elaborating, but in a sense I agree. To me, the concept of the show had me excited because I thought it would be a step away from the "perfect" people of TNG and step into the darker side of morality. Though some episodes did explore it a little, in general the continuity was so poor that nothing really ever developed in that respect, and the only character that even evolved was the Doctor. Frayed nerves rarely carried over, supplies were only an issue for the sake of a particular story, and the ship returned in better shape than it left in, not including the futuristic upgrades and whatever.
Agree. Very, very few noteworthy episodes came from this woefully beaten concept. In the end it degenerated into Spirit Folk, and that was just pathetic, really.
I'm not enough of a TV critic to chime in on this, but in comparison to previous Trek series', yes, the cast was very weak. For a trek series, the Captain's role has to be played with a compelling screen presence, and the first officer certainly helps too. Kirk/Spock, Picard/Riker, Sisko/Kira, Janeway/Chakotay - One of these does not belong. Guess which? If the doctor is the most compelling character in a trek series, you know the series is in trouble.
Can't remember the particulars enough to comment on this.
I'd put this at #2, right after lazy/bad writing. Badly acted; Badly written; Weak screen presence; Wildly inconsistent and at times downright psychotic (see badly written); And most importantly, flat out annoying. Not good for your lead role.
Again, no argument there. As if Neelix wasn't bad enough. Jar Jar Binks, anyone?
Yeah that was annoying. So fearsome in TNG, yet in VOY they got outwitted at every turn by a group of incompetents. Each episode further humiliated the Borg. By the end of the series, assimilation was fun (LOLZ this spinal clamp tickles my ass!), and the Borg were downright retarded. Disembodiment is the epitomy of perfection? Er, come again?
Basically. Kinda like the Star Wars prequels. You know they're terrible, yet you go see them anyway because it's Star Wars. Meh. I did watch VOY once, but unlike its predecessors, I don't go back for repeats.
agreed
I see alot more quality in the SW prequels than ST VOY
but back on Voyager I agree with your comments
I can also list the doctor (not Picardo) as a missed opportunity - Having a spok/data like mirror for the people to reflect on was a good idea - but it was abandoned so fast - if he acted like a sterile program that mimiced response - boring in itself but as a way for the crew to reflect on things - i think it would have been much better
