Issues with Voyager

[Michael]

# 1 - Great premise - horrible execution

While the execution of Voyager's original premise wasn't great, it certainly wasn't horrible.

# 3 - The worst cast ever assembled for a TV show

I couldn't disagree more. Even I, who ranks Voyager as his least favorite Trek series, think, it had a very strong cast. Picardo, Russ, Mulgrew, Lien and Ryan were fabulous actors.

# 4 - TECHNOBABBLE Everywhere all the time

I think there's some truth to that.

# 6 - Naiome Wildman - WHYYYYYYY after TNG would you take the worst aspect and trake it up a notch!

I liked her character very much. Also, Scarlett Pomers is one of the finest child actors Trek ever had.

Oh, and BTW, there's actually a very cool feature on this board. I think you'll find it very useful ...

 

[smeos]

Not really, we didn't see a lot of the same races because of Jeri Taylor. She thought it would be silly for VOY to keep seeing the same aliens repeatedly (which would develop them) since they were always on the move and once Piller was gone she made sure any race-building he had established was swept away.

She also was the one who was against the show having a darker tone and inter-crew tensions. She also wanted to do more holonovel stories.

So one big plus would've been to not include her as a producer.

Yet we saw the Kazon in each of the first three seasons. The biggest enemy (aside from the Borg), and they were a bunch of losers. The Kazon neither intimidated nor interested me, and a good villain has to do at least one of those.

Agree with you about Taylor. She makes baby Jesus cry.

 

[Anwar]

We only saw a lot of Kazon in the first two seasons, and that was when Piller was still on the show. Once he was gone and "Basics" was finished it was all Taylor.

Anyways, they couldn't make the Kazon some super-race otherwise VOY would've been too easily beaten/destroyed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You mean like the Krenim? Voyager getting it's ass handed to it, running hiding and consequences?

Exactly how did kathy think they would make a ten year journey though Borg Space? I really think that the writers/producers forgot about that line two seconds after they put it in play.

 

[smeos]

We only saw a lot of Kazon in the first two seasons, and that was when Piller was still on the show. Once he was gone and "Basics" was finished it was all Taylor.

Anyways, they couldn't make the Kazon some super-race otherwise VOY would've been too easily beaten/destroyed.

Ah, you're right. I had a brain fart and thought that "Basic" was a season finale/premiere.

I didn't want the Kazon to be a super race, merely an interesting one. Their make-up (aside from the hair) reminded me too much of the Klingons, and they just weren't that compelling or dastardly as villains.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Basics totally bridged season 2 and three. Piller left before part II was written or they rewrote it and he wasn't on staff to disagree.

 

[kipron]

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I thought Basics I & II were written/filmed at the same time?

I agree that Basics was a fantastic way to cap off S1-2, and imho marks the end of 'early Voyager.'

(I generally prefer the scope of S4-7, btw. But credit where it's due).

 

[jimbtnp2]

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I thought Basics I & II were written/filmed at the same time?

I agree that Basics was a fantastic way to cap off S1-2, and imho marks the end of 'early Voyager.'

(I generally prefer the scope of S4-7, btw. But credit where it's due).

As much as i dislike voyager - Basics wasn't too bad especially for Voy

I didn;t mind the kazon i seska was probably the best actress of the bunch

 

[Timewalker]

Regarding the holodeck stories...

I LOATHED the Flotter crap. Really, is that what passes for childrens' fairy tales 400 years from now?

I liked pretty much all the stuff Tom Paris did on the holodeck. Sandrine's was a reminder of home for him; Fairhaven was fun and relaxing - the perfect place to while away a few hours; and Captain Proton was inspired. Granted, Captain Proton was silly -- but that's the point. It was supposed to be silly.

I absolutely adored John Rhys-Davies as Leonardo DaVinci.

The creepy Victorian/gothic holonovel thingy with the weird children and the homicidal housekeeper was... vastly overrated. What a waste of photons.

Just once, couldn't Tom have done a holodeck fantasy where B'Elanna was a 1950s-style housewife, complete with polka-dot dress, high-heeled shoes, and a string of pearls? That would have been hilarious, and the real B'Elanna would have killed him for that!

 

[Anwar]

You mean like the Krenim? Voyager getting it's ass handed to it, running hiding and consequences?

Exactly how did kathy think they would make a ten year journey though Borg Space? I really think that the writers/producers forgot about that line two seconds after they put it in play.

Exactly, with the Krenim they only had to worry about minor patrols from a huge empire. Even then they still got trashed, but with the Kazon they'd have had a lot more than just some minor patrols gunning for them meaning they had to be weaker otherwise they'd be killed off within 5 episodes.

As for 10 years in Borg space, did it ever occur to you that maybe the Borg just wouldn't see VOY as worth assimilating since they already had likely assimilated current Fed technology? It would be just like how the Borg ignore people beaming onto their ships until they do something to interfere.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I liked the setting of Fairhaven, but the story lines stink. I wanted to bash my head against the wall the moment the line came out of Janeway's mouth "That's the problem; I've got a boyfriend that malfunctions." Two seconds letter I wanted to bash the writers against the wall when Chakotay replies, "Don't worry! Tom and Harry will fix him." Oh geeze! That was so... *sigh* wow...

I hated the fact that Janeway and Chakotay couldn't have relationships. I don't mean with each other, but just in general. Chakotay's always went horribly wrong in a matter of seconds (except for Seven, but that's a different kettle of fish), and Janeway just didn't have any at all. So, they gave her a hologram and Chakotay the shaft.

Just lovely...

It just didn't make any sense that two grown adults wouldn't eventually find someone. You know? On top of that, how insulting to the viewership was it to put Chakotay with Seven in only the last few episodes of the entire series? There was practially no build up, and the whole think just stank of being thrown together at the last minute.

I could totally buy the two of them being together, but give us a real arc, please!

I can't buy Janeway ever thinking of a hologram as her 'boyfriend'. I think it would be easier for me to see her as being completely alone that off pretending to have a relationship with photons and force fields.

The EMH is not alive. Don't take advice about complicated emotions from a trick of light.

 

[kimc]

I'd put this at #2, right after lazy/bad writing. Badly acted; Badly written; Weak screen presence; Wildly inconsistent and at times downright psychotic (see badly written); And most importantly, flat out annoying. Not good for your lead role.

Do you have anything concrete to back this up or do you just not like a female captain?

 

[DanCPA]

As much as i dislike voyager - Basics wasn't too bad especially for Voy

It was good tv, not just for Voyager. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that Janeway didn't try to blow the ship up by destroying the warp core manually.

I didn;t mind the kazon i seska was probably the best actress of the bunch

Seska was a great character!

 

[anais]

I can't buy Janeway ever thinking of a hologram as her 'boyfriend'. I think it would be easier for me to see her as being completely alone that off pretending to have a relationship with photons and force fields.

It's particularly odd considering Janeway's opinion on the Doctor as a hologram in Latent Image. She mentions the Doctor is more like replicator than he is human.


A small thing I would have appreciated on Voyager is a light year count, like the survivor count on Battlestar Galactica.

 

[kimc]

A small thing I would have appreciated on Voyager is a light year count, like the survivor count on Battlestar Galactica.

That's a great idea.

 

[DanCPA]

It's particularly odd considering Janeway's opinion on the Doctor as a hologram in Latent Image.

By that time, she had changed her opinion of the doctor. Plus, I think Janeway realizes that a hologram is likely the closest she is going to get to an actual partner. She can't have a partner on the ship (better said, she won't... She is the Captain) and finding an alien partner isn't practical... she can't have any sort of long term relationship with that person as she is always passing by. So, a hologram is likely her only option for when she wants to be treated like a woman... which every girl does from time to time

She mentions the Doctor is more like replicator than he is human.

Because he is. Over time, he is allowed to evolve by her, but at that point in time, he is basically a schnazzy tricorder

A small thing I would have appreciated on Voyager is a light year count, like the survivor count on Battlestar Galactica.

Nah... For one, not everyone is going to earth... so the "distance" is different for everyone... and two, they mention periodically how much longer they have to go, or how far their latest adventure moved them... To me, thats more than enough

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

It's particularly odd considering Janeway's opinion on the Doctor as a hologram in Latent Image.

By that time, she had changed her opinion of the doctor. Plus, I think Janeway realizes that a hologram is likely the closest she is going to get to an actual partner. She can't have a partner on the ship (better said, she won't... She is the Captain) and finding an alien partner isn't practical... she can't have any sort of long term relationship with that person as she is always passing by. So, a hologram is likely her only option for when she wants to be treated like a woman... which every girl does from time to time

See, now, I hate this thought process (from the writers). There is no reason that Janeway couldn't have had a relationship, and I think a romance with an alien really makes the most sense. (Though I must admit I was always a fan of J/7. ) The alien would have come on ship, and there could have been some great story telling right there.

I think the writers did a very poor job here where they could have used a unique situation to give a captain some super complexity and depth unlike any in the past. Instead, she turned into a super nun with a toy fetish.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kirk made out with Robots at least twice to my recall (Ruth and Rayna.), Picard had two wives form artificial realities, although that lady from Christmas in the wishing ribbon he had ,only seemed to last for about 12 seconds, but he was about ready to brain Riker for a chance to shtoop Minuete, what was the deal with Sisko's disappearing girlfriend? Sisko actually didn't have time to get lost in the arms of imaginary women since he was too busy mourning the dead wife or getting a new one... Sisko had needs, even if he needed his son for a pimp.

Tigh's eye parroted that Doctors speech to kathy verbatum from Spirit folke(? the otherone?) how many times have you seen that bollocks?

 

[KayArr]

After reading about Fair Haven and Spirit Folk, I decided to skip them when I did my Voyager marathon in April and May, so in my memory Janeway never had an affair with a hologram.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

After reading about Fair Haven and Spirit Folk, I decided to skip them when I did my Voyager marathon in April and May, so in my memory Janeway never had an affair with a hologram.

Be thankful. They are quite painful to watch.