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Is Voyager Heavily Underrated?

I don't even think that is entirely fair. No, it wasn't nuBSG, but it also wasn't Gilligan's Island. Perhaps too many could be described as guilty pleasures, but some could have clever plots while others could have great emotional depth. I think there was a certain error in embracing TNG too closely rather than laboring to distinguish itself as a series.
This is true... I was more thinking of the series as a whole as a guilty pleasure, but that's probably painting with too-broad a stroke. I certainly don't consider it that way (obviously), but some sub-set of the fan base may.
Incidentally, what you have said regarding the VOY attempt at embracing TNG and its vibe interests me because I've seen others post this as well, so it must be a not uncommon feeling. I watched the first couple of seasons of TNG on initial airing (and subsequently season 3 and the beginning of 4 more recently) and I don't get this comparison at all. TNG is nearly my least favorite Trek, whereas VOY is my favorite. The tone and characters are totally different from my perspective, but again, I'm coming from the vantage point of a non-Trekkie.

More and more I look forward to watching DS9 since that one, from reading comments on these boards, seems to be the more unique "outlier" in the Trek-verse....
 
Heavily underrated, I don't know but what I know is that for the dozen Trekkies I know, including my sister, Voyager was totally unwatchable and they ended to skip a large majority of episodes (one of them told me to have watched only the pilot and the finale so much he had heard how it was bad...). Besides, they don't miss to laugh of me when around the dinner table, we talk about last sci-fi series/movies. In fact, for a lot of them, the original (for Spock & Kirk) & TNG series (for Picard) are the best of all ST saga! Plus, on varried polls on the 5 series, Voyager is often positioned in penultimate (I often read that some fans have not digested that a woman commanded the ship & condamned Janeway's "constant displays of erratic/reckless behaviour" -> it's not the Captain's or Mulgrew's fault but producers & writers who were unable to paint a powerful female captaincy, similar to her male colleagues!)

As for me, as much as I love re-watching Voyager*, especially some episodes of all the seasons, I admit that the series proposed the best mixed with the worst and in middle, a strong feeling of unfinished and mess. So, I'd say that this 4th place is surely well deserved.
(* I was never able to watch TOS, TNG -DS9 and ENT from season 1 to season 5 and/or 7, only a season of each series).
 
I think the show is overall pretty fairly rated by the fans-as being both TNG-continued and hit-and-miss. One sub-faction feels it surpassed TNG or at least was more fun while another feels that it was a much lesser continuation, too bland & tired. I tend a bit more to the latter point of view but don't think it's just that, it also had a few strong moments and good characters, so I agree it's hit-and-miss although also or more a missed opportunity.
 
I watched the first couple of seasons of TNG on initial airing (and subsequently season 3 and the beginning of 4 more recently) and I don't get this comparison at all.
You probably won't see it in the first two seasons of TNG. Those were complete chaos. TNG matured when Piller came on, wrestling the show away from Roddenberry. The things Piller introduced were amplified by Taylor. There were a couple of things that made it seem that Voyager was following too much in TNG's footsteps. First, Paramount wanted it that way. Second, all the writers who came from TNG to Voyager were those whose first experiences with Star Trek, not to mention genre television: Berman, Piller, Taylor, Biller. Only Braga was a fan of genre fiction, being more interested in Twilight Zone style terror. All the Trekkies went to DS9. Jeri Taylor even apologized in the first season when people complained that Voyager seemed to be regurgitating stories. Third, it never quite deviated far from the planet of the week model. I actually wish that Seven of Nine would have won those arguments about the futility of exploration for the crew.

ETA: I'm an unabashed Niner, and I will sing it's praises, but going from Voyager to DS9 might be a culture shock.
 
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Meh, it's a bit of a competition on these forums though. However to answer if Voyager is underrated the audience is more than us and the numbers speak for themselves. You don't re-watch without thinking it's worth it.

Just as an aside I enjoy TNG but I don't equate it with Voyager. Voyager appealed to me because they didn't have the Federation always breathing down their necks. I like the isolation and I felt the crew were more family.
 
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The short answer is darker, longer, more character driven, more political, but there are lots of other smaller differences. I think that if you have seen "Jetrel," you should check the DS9 episode "Duet." Jetrel was consciously produced as a Voyager analogue to Duet, and you can see how the different aesthetic choices are manifest.
 
The short answer is darker, longer, more character driven, more political, but there are lots of other smaller differences. I think that if you have seen "Jetrel," you should check the DS9 episode "Duet." Jetrel was consciously produced as a Voyager analogue to Duet, and you can see how the different aesthetic choices are manifest.

Feel like the difference between Jetrel and Duet perfectly sums up the difference between Voyager and DS9.
 
The short answer is darker, longer, more character driven, more political, but there are lots of other smaller differences. I think that if you have seen "Jetrel," you should check the DS9 episode "Duet." Jetrel was consciously produced as a Voyager analogue to Duet, and you can see how the different aesthetic choices are manifest.
Okay, thanks. That's what I figured from what little I've heard previously. No problems there as I prefer dark, character driven, deeper subtexts, etc. I guess VOY has some of that present but not to the extent of what I normally watch (film mainly ). I'll rewatch Jetrel and the watch Duet in the near future. I do plan on watching DS9 from the beginning at some point anyway
 
In that case, I won't make the mistake of asking you if you are French.;)

Yes I am! :hugegrin: But sometimes, I feel very lonely but fortunately some like Thomas Eugene, who speaks fluently french, encouraged me to post quotes in this language to translate a personal feeling and/or just describe situations which is related to Voyager, of course. So, I do it occasionally when it is relevant. :)
 
Yes I am! :hugegrin: But sometimes, I feel very lonely but fortunately some like Thomas Eugene, who speaks fluently french, encouraged me to post quotes in this language to translate a personal feeling and/or just describe situations which is related to Voyager, of course. So, I do it occasionally when it is relevant. :)
C'est quand vous voulez.
 
I was unsure when I started Voyager, I had heard all the bad stuff and it did make me fear the show could be a miss. Then I finally sat down and watched it. I can see the comparisons to TNG, however, given that everyone now wants a show like TNG again, maybe the fact that it followed the model was not such a bad thing. To me, while the stories may be similar, the crew and set up for the voyager and its overall tone make it feel different from TNG to me at least. It has plenty of humor, but it seems to deal with heavier topics a lot more often, some storylines have felt slightly similar to some of TNG, but I think that had more to do with the writers wanting to retell the story in a different manner. Even when the stories are similar I feel the crew's personality really changes things in a big way.

I was also unsure how I would like Janeway, and I was really surprised how much I loved her. I understand the scrutiny her character has, I can see people feeling she is more emotional, or makes subpar choices, but I do not even fault the writers for that, as they seemed to be trying to make Janeway part Picard and part Kirk. She is thoughtful and smart as Picard, but she is also brash and headstrong like Kirk. She may make mistakes, but really no more so than Picard or Kirk before her. Some seem to want her to be more reserved and even smarter, yet I think they did a really good job portraying how a captain, not a female or anything else but just how a captain would react being in her very unique position of being lost in space.

It seems like she makes choices out of the desire to protect her crew, and to get them home safely even if she has to put herself at great risk doing so. It would seem odd if she never made a mistake, and while they may have given her more emotional moments than Kirk or Picard, could it not be because of the situation she is in rather than her gender? Sure they are explorers, and I am sure Picard and Kirk would enjoy the voyage, but I also think they would have just as many emotional moments. The stakes are just higher, and I feel her reactions are more demonstrative of that, than being an overly emotional female.

A character that never makes mistakes or choices based on emotional reasons is not believable unless they are meant to be Vulcan or something like that. Really if you stop thinking Janeway should or shouldn't do this, and observe how she is, I really think you would be surprised by her skill and her huge brass balls. They had a real challenge to create a show that felt similar to TNG and TOS, while still being it's own thing, I really think they did that, I can see the influences from both TOS and TNG, and I think that really worked well. There are even times I would rather watch it than TNG and I am a diehard TNG fanatic. There is something about the setting and crew of Voyager, and maybe the fact that my expectations were so low, that it really seems very special to me. If I really had to choose, I would probably pick TNG, but that would be because I like the more humorous episodes and the stuff that was done, more or less just to be silly fun.

Yet Voyager lacking most of those things, and instead focusing on more character based humor and darker and more serious themes is really enjoyable. IT never gets too dark, and loses the sense of wonder and fun that makes Trek what it is, but it also really takes the other elements, family, working together in times of crisis and the exelent moral plays that really make up my favortie pieces of the universe.

I can understand people not loving it, but I really do not understand why so many, even parts of the Trek cast, looking at you Jonathan... Think of it as a lesser version of TNG, and before I am attacked, I am a die-hard Jonathan Frakes fan I own Thunderbirds and Clockstoppers just because he made them and I actually watch them, I like his directing style. But still, why does everyone think so little of such a great show? I guess sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.

This concludes my book report on Star Trek Voyager LOL.
 
I was unsure when I started Voyager, I had heard all the bad stuff and it did make me fear the show could be a miss. Then I finally sat down and watched it. I can see the comparisons to TNG, however, given that everyone now wants a show like TNG again, maybe the fact that it followed the model was not such a bad thing. To me, while the stories may be similar, the crew and set up for the voyager and its overall tone make it feel different from TNG to me at least. It has plenty of humor, but it seems to deal with heavier topics a lot more often, some storylines have felt slightly similar to some of TNG, but I think that had more to do with the writers wanting to retell the story in a different manner. Even when the stories are similar I feel the crew's personality really changes things in a big way.

I was also unsure how I would like Janeway, and I was really surprised how much I loved her. I understand the scrutiny her character has, I can see people feeling she is more emotional, or makes subpar choices, but I do not even fault the writers for that, as they seemed to be trying to make Janeway part Picard and part Kirk. She is thoughtful and smart as Picard, but she is also brash and headstrong like Kirk. She may make mistakes, but really no more so than Picard or Kirk before her. Some seem to want her to be more reserved and even smarter, yet I think they did a really good job portraying how a captain, not a female or anything else but just how a captain would react being in her very unique position of being lost in space.

It seems like she makes choices out of the desire to protect her crew, and to get them home safely even if she has to put herself at great risk doing so. It would seem odd if she never made a mistake, and while they may have given her more emotional moments than Kirk or Picard, could it not be because of the situation she is in rather than her gender? Sure they are explorers, and I am sure Picard and Kirk would enjoy the voyage, but I also think they would have just as many emotional moments. The stakes are just higher, and I feel her reactions are more demonstrative of that, than being an overly emotional female.

A character that never makes mistakes or choices based on emotional reasons is not believable unless they are meant to be Vulcan or something like that. Really if you stop thinking Janeway should or shouldn't do this, and observe how she is, I really think you would be surprised by her skill and her huge brass balls. They had a real challenge to create a show that felt similar to TNG and TOS, while still being it's own thing, I really think they did that, I can see the influences from both TOS and TNG, and I think that really worked well. There are even times I would rather watch it than TNG and I am a diehard TNG fanatic. There is something about the setting and crew of Voyager, and maybe the fact that my expectations were so low, that it really seems very special to me. If I really had to choose, I would probably pick TNG, but that would be because I like the more humorous episodes and the stuff that was done, more or less just to be silly fun.

Yet Voyager lacking most of those things, and instead focusing on more character based humor and darker and more serious themes is really enjoyable. IT never gets too dark, and loses the sense of wonder and fun that makes Trek what it is, but it also really takes the other elements, family, working together in times of crisis and the exelent moral plays that really make up my favortie pieces of the universe.

I can understand people not loving it, but I really do not understand why so many, even parts of the Trek cast, looking at you Jonathan... Think of it as a lesser version of TNG, and before I am attacked, I am a die-hard Jonathan Frakes fan I own Thunderbirds and Clockstoppers just because he made them and I actually watch them, I like his directing style. But still, why does everyone think so little of such a great show? I guess sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.

This concludes my book report on Star Trek Voyager LOL.
What a great post! I think Voyager has aged well. I started really watching just a few years ago and it fell into place for me.
 
Yes I am! :hugegrin: But sometimes, I feel very lonely but fortunately some like Thomas Eugene, who speaks fluently french, encouraged me to post quotes in this language to translate a personal feeling and/or just describe situations which is related to Voyager, of course. So, I do it occasionally when it is relevant. :)

Seems easier than to mettre Paris en bouteille.:guffaw:
 
The short answer is darker, longer, more character driven, more political, but there are lots of other smaller differences. I think that if you have seen "Jetrel," you should check the DS9 episode "Duet." Jetrel was consciously produced as a Voyager analogue to Duet, and you can see how the different aesthetic choices are manifest.
I think of the two being like opposites. One on a ship cutoff from the politics and familiar drama of a known quadrant and the other embroiled in it. Though I haven't really immersed myself in DS9.
 
The problem with Voyager is that it should have been a representative of the federation and that instead it was a military dictatorship with Janeway as permanent despot.
 
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