Is Titan-A a refit of original Titan?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The only way I will buy the Titan-A being a "refit" of anything is if the original Titan was wrecked, and the leftover bits were used to create a new class of ship.

Other than that, though? It's not a ing refit. I don't give a frog's fat ass what the show "said". We all know what a refit is, and this ain't it.

 

[Brainsucker]

Or maybe Titan A, the Neo-Constitution Class has been refitted before. But they're not the original Titan, Luna Class Starship.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Decker called it practically a new ship.

It always felt like Decker was referring to the new systems that Kirk didn't understand. Either way, a vague statement made by a pissed off ex-Captain.

 

[James Cole]

Having seen the three models hanging in the lounge, is it possible this is a refit of the earlier Titan, pulled out of a museum? The current is hanging alongside the expanded universe one, subsequently made canon by Lower Decks, and lastly what seems to be a more structurally similar older class. It looks like the Luna one was the outlier and the -A refit is now some return to its original namesake maybe?

This would square with the Stargazer in season 2 being a refit of the 23rd century Stargazer, but not Picard's Stargazer.

Terry Matalas has used the analogy of a mop and a broom handle. If you first replace the mop, and then much later the broom handle itself. Yes everything is new but you have the chain of custody with the past inception. Matalas has restored a DeLorean, so maybe he's thinking of it more as a car enthusiast, where you could gradually replace almost every component but still have it be the "same car".

 

[Caretaker]

Yes and no. It was said in episode one and the Titan log entry on the Star Trek Logs Instagram account.

Is the new Titan-A supposed to be a refit of the original Titan or is it an entirely new ship? I remember reading somewhere that claimed it was a refit, but I don't see how it could be a refit of the Luna class, unless Luna class isn't considered canon (which is a possibility since I don't believe it was ever seen on screen.) If it was a refit, then I'm guessing the canon version of Titan was closer in design to Titan-A.

 

[Dar70]

I don't know what people are talking about. There have been ZERO titans shown in live action Trek before Picard. ZERO...

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't know what people are talking about. There have been ZERO titans shown in live action Trek before Picard. ZERO...

The animated shows are canon, the Luna Class Titan showed up in Lower Decks, it's also on the wall of the conference room of the Titan-A.

We all know what a refit is,

Yeah, it seems to completely rebuild the ship in the case of the Enterprise-Refit.

 

[Dar70]

The animated shows are canon, the Luna Class Titan showed up in Lower Decks, it's also on the wall of the conference room of the Titan-A.


Yeah, it seems to completely rebuild the ship in the case of the Enterprise-Refit.

First off as far as I know the producers have NEVER said everything that Lower Decks is canon. They skirt around the issue. It tonally different than all live action Trek and the animated series and prodigy. Riker was acting like Phillip J Frye when he was attacking with the Titan. The show is a slapstick, goofy comedy in the realm of the Simpsons and Futurama.
Now I know versions of two characters are going to SNW. We will see how they are handled and why they are cartoons.

That all said I can see them PULLING ELEMENTS like ship designs from LD. Because if anything the tech is closer to that of Live action Trek than the actions of the characters. But for now I'm going with ITS A REFIT IF RIKERS TITAN. The dialogue supports this.

 

[Tuskin38]

First off as far as I know the producers have NEVER said everything that Lower Decks is canon.

It is canon
https://blog.trekcore.com/2019/08/mcmahan-star-trek-lower-decks-is-definitely-canon/

He said in another interview, that I can't find at the moment, that the events in the show are exaggerated for the animated comedy medium. They've happened in-canon, just not 1:1 as they appear in the show.

 

[Dar70]

It is canon
https://blog.trekcore.com/2019/08/mcmahan-star-trek-lower-decks-is-definitely-canon/

He said in another interview, that I can't find at the moment, that the events in the show are exaggerated for the animated comedy medium. They've happened in-canon, just not 1:1 as they appear in the show.

He pretty much confirmed what I just said. It's an exaggerated show. In other words the events and characters are not exactly the way things went down in the live action universe. That's the way I read it. So I say it again. Until otherwise refered to differently ..THIS TITAN IS RIKERS REFITTED.

 

[Tuskin38]

So I say it again. Until otherwise refered to ..THIS TITAN IS RIKERS REFITTED.

So it used to be the Luna class.

 

[NCC-73515]

The Luna simply hit an asteroid which squished the oval into a circle.

So did the team for TMP.

The saucer could be the same inside

Then again, there's Riker comment of the Titan-A having a new ship smell. Maybe Riker did command the ship originally, but she later had an interior upgrade after he left.

That's just the new bridge module

 

[Dar70]

So it used to be the Luna class.

No....it looks nothing like it at all....I don't see how it's the same ship at all. It's completely different. Apparently the Luna was another captains ship before Rikers. Unless it's stated otherwise.....it's RIKERS first and only Titan that we see in Picard...

 

[Tuskin38]

No....it looks nothing like it at all....I don't see how it's the same ship at all. It's completely different. Apparently the Luna was another captains ship before Rikers. Unless it's stated otherwise.....it's RIKERS first and only Titan that we see in Picard...

We see the Luna class in the Conference room, and the Titan-A shares its registry number.
Again what you're saying is wrong, because Paramount and the creators of Picard consider the Luna to be Riker's ship.

 

[Dar70]

We see the Luna class in the Conference room, and the Titan-A shares its registry number.
Again what you're saying is wrong, because Paramount and the creators of Picard consider the Luna to be Riker's ship.

Where and When did the creators of Picard say that??

 

[Tuskin38]

Where and When did the creators of Picard say that??

Terry has said it in a couple interviews
https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/14/in...-rikers-roles-more-star-trek-picard-season-3/

You’ll see a gold model of the Luna class USS Titan as seen in Lower Decks, which was designed by Sean Tourangeau. And we even see a previous incarnation from the TOS movie era. We’ll see that there was a Titan that was a bit of a Constitution class as well, the original Shangri-La class [designed by Bill Krause]. So, the idea was that after the Luna class’s legacy run with Riker, that ship was damaged and retired. Some of the systems were refit and put into this new Titan, the Titan-A.

 

[Dar70]

Terry has said it in a couple interviews
https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/14/in...-rikers-roles-more-star-trek-picard-season-3/

Ok. So this is a second Titan. That needed a refit 5 years ago. we don't even know how old it is.

So it's NOT the Luna class. So why are people thinking it is?

 

[valkyrie013]

Sean's design Luna class is Cannon.. Period. Lower decks IS cannon. Now are the ships 1 to 1 accurate? Naah. But it's about 95% so no.. The Titan A is absolutely not the same design as the Luna. So except for some parts.. Its anew ship. As designated by the A and new ship class name. The refit of the original 1701 was still a Connie.

 

[Gepard]

It is canon
https://blog.trekcore.com/2019/08/mcmahan-star-trek-lower-decks-is-definitely-canon/

He said in another interview, that I can't find at the moment, that the events in the show are exaggerated for the animated comedy medium. They've happened in-canon, just not 1:1 as they appear in the show.

Also, there's going to be a crossover with Strange New Worlds next season. Even if you take SNW as a total reboot, it's in continuity with something.

 

[Dukhat]

I’ve watched the first episode twice now, and it’s even more clear to me that the PIC producers want the audience to believe that this Titan is the same ship as the one that went unseen in Nemesis. The ‘refit’ statement is just a way to side-step the issue that we’ve already seen a much different-looking version in Lower Decks. I believe their thought process is that their audience is coming right off of Nemesis when watching this show, and are not the same audience watching Lower Decks. None of these shows are really in continuity with each other, and the producers know this.