Is Titan-A a refit of original Titan?

[Dukhat]

Maybe it is just the original Titan but reshaped using technology we don't understand. Even Doug Drexler surmised the Enterprise hull might've been grown vs welded on.

Drexler said this about the Enterprise-J from the alternate 26th century, not about the present Enterprise.

edit: ninja'd by @Deks.

Honestly, Matalas's explanation is really just something he pulled out of his ass to justify the design. It's not like we're seeing any other ships in the show that look like 23rd century designs. Just the Titan. I mean, if Starfleet is going through some 'retro' phase, then why didn't the new Stargazer look like the old Stargazer? Why doesn't the Enterprise-F look like the Enterprise-A?

 

[valkyrie013]

I imagine by the 25th century, that the repair yard from Enterprise Dead Stop is atleast where they are at technologically. Robot repair with transporter/replicator tech to fashion new bulkheads/etc.
But they can't just say Energize, and use a comparable bulk of material, beam in a brand new ship, still takes time to fashion and install.

 

[Blue Squadron]

There's nothing that says Riker couldn't have commanded both Titans, is there? It's entirely possible Shaw took over command of the Titan-A from him.

That would actually have been by far the most sensible option!

They wanted the ship to be a Titan to create the link to Riker. Fine.

Matalas really liked this design? Fine.

They want everyone to swallow the utter implausibility that this completely different ship is somehow the previously established Titan with a total hull rebuild and a new registry number? Not fine. Utter BS in fact. Also totally avoidable with a very simple explanation that would actually have given some interesting character beats:

Titan-A was the new ship Riker relinquished when he stepped back from Starfleet to care for Thaddeus. It has indeed had a recent refit but it was always this basic shape, it's just that it has been updated since it was the ship Riker left. Wouldn't that just feed into the whole father-son dynamic of this season...?

There. Done.

 

[Biggles]

You know what, I absolutely am going to ignore all of Matalas' and any other production team comments and go with that suggestion. So the Luna class ship was damaged beyond economical repair and retired at some point in the 2380s.

Riker took over the Titan-A for a brief period before handing it overShaw's five years commanding the same ship which has just undergone a minor refit. This is supported by the Picard-Riker exchange;

"We're going on the Titan. Your old command." "It's the only sway I've got. It's the new refit. Neo-Constitution class."

Memory Alpha has Riker retiring in 2391, at which point the ship presumably was decommissioned for a period (let's be honest, he probably did smash it up again) until Shaw took over in 2396 and has safely but boringly carried out 36 missions in those five years.

This is supported by Shaw's comments about;
"All the bebop that I had to purge from the system when I took the chair."
and his assertion that "I have kept this train running for five years, 36 missions."

Problem solved. It was the same with the Stargazer - all evidence pointed to a brand new ship yet they gave Picard the line about a "refit" and Matalas doubled down saying "somewhere underneath all the lights and polish are the bones of Picard’s original ship. Does it make sense? I don’t know. But I sure like the spirit of it." Memory Alpha chose to ignore that and imply that Picard doesn't know what a "refit" is. That was the best approach then, and it works here too (I think).

 

[Dukhat]

Sometimes stupid showrunner comments are just stupid showrunner comments.

 

[fireproof78]

Does it make sense?

Yup, to me at least. Mileage will vary.

 

[Dukhat]

Yup, to me at least. Mileage will vary.

So I guess the Stargazer in the Fleet Museum
is a fake, then?

 

[fireproof78]

So I guess the Stargazer in the Fleet Museum
is a fake, then?

Sure.

It's not like authenticity in the age of replicators carries the same weight as it does for us feebles.

 

[Dukhat]

But if people don’t care about authenticity, why would they care about nostalgia with a ship that looks like another ship from 120 years ago?

 

[fireproof78]

But if people don’t care about authenticity, why would they care about nostalgia with a ship that looks like another ship from 120 years ago?

I think nostalgia rings a little differently inside people that authenticity. Nostalgia is all about the feels, that weird warm feeling of a memory or age of glory long past. Like "Glory Days."

To quote some other SF show; "You'll feel it! That's what matters!"

 

[Dukhat]

I’ll have to take your word for that, since I’ve yet to see any actual evidence of that in the show, despite any showrunner comments.

 

[fireproof78]

I’ll have to take your word for that, since I’ve yet to see any actual evidence of that in the show, despite any showrunner comments.

Well, feelings are subjective after all.

 

[NCC-73515]

It's the chair! The original captain's chair from Riker's Titan had all that Jazz in it so Riker could listen to it on the bridge, and Shaw inherited it

 

[Lord Garth]

Now, if Lower Decks (and their depiction of the Titan and its previous iterations) are not in continuity with PIC, then there really isn’t a problem. But then why make a gold model of the Luna class and shoehorn it right between two ships that look 90% identical? (answer: they still wanted to acknowledge Torangeau’s design even though their new backstory for it doesn’t make logical sense.)

I wish they just ignored Lower Decks. First, because I don't watch it. Second, because it doesn't take itself seriously. It's one of those "adult cartoons". It should be in its own little pocket universe where it spoofs everything else and that's as far as it goes. Should be.

 

[Tuskin38]

First, because I don't watch it.

That seems selfish. But I'm guessing you're joking there.

As for the rest, it's crossing over with Strange New Worlds in SNW Season 2, so too late there.

 

[Lord Garth]

That seems selfish.

As for the rest, it's crossing over with Strange New Worlds in SNW Season 2, so too late there.

Hey, I said wish.

I honestly don't think I'll stick around for SNW either, once DSC and PIC are done. Those were my two New Trek shows. Not so much the rest, as nice as Prodigy is.

 

[Dukhat]

I wish they just ignored Lower Decks. First, because I don't watch it. Second, because it doesn't take itself seriously. It's one of those "adult cartoons". It should be in its own little pocket universe where it spoofs everything else and that's as far as it goes. Should be.

There is no rule stating that anyone has to accept any of these shows as gospel. They are just fictional representations of certain aspects of the Star Trek universe. If CBS can ignore the visual interpretation of TOS, then there's no reason why viewers can't ignore the things that actually happen in these shows, or at best, pick and choose what they consider to be 'official.' LDS doesn't take itself seriously, as you said. So the audience can choose to not take it seriously either.

CBS only cares if people are spending money to watch their shows. They don't care if people consider them to be 'canon' or other such nonsense.

I honestly don't think I'll stick around for SNW either, once DSC and PIC are done. Those were my two New Trek shows. Not so much the rest, as nice as Prodigy is.

Prodigy is the only show that's really compelling to me in its originality. And this is a show advertised for kids (although it's quite clearly more sophisticated than Blue's Clues.)

 

[Lord Garth]

Prodigy is the only show that's really compelling to me in its originality. And this is a show advertised for kids (although it's quite clearly more sophisticated than Blue's Clues.)

I plan to cancel my Paramount+ subscription after PIC Season 3 is finished. I already have what I want on DVD or Blu-Ray. I'll renew it again for DSC Season 5, then I'm done. I'll purchase full seasons of Prodigy after that, through Amazon and binge them in one go.

We vote with our wallets, so that's my voting in action.

 

[Lord Garth]

Anyway, the Titan-A. I don't think the Titan-A is a refit of the Titan, except possibly some hardware and software transferred over, and even that's a stretch. Like I said before, I think Shaw got his terms mixed up. It happens. Or maybe Riker also commanded the Titan-A as has been suggested.

I didn't like the overly stacked impulse engines at first, but it's starting to grow on me.

 

[Gepard]

Prodigy is the only show that's really compelling to me in its originality. And this is a show advertised for kids (although it's quite clearly more sophisticated than Blue's Clues.)

It's also a direct sequel to VOY, of all things. Who saw that coming?