It can work in multiple ways. Ignoring continuity issues is something people do with other shows all the time.
Is this a faithful prequel to TOS?
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I hope I'm alive to see and enjoy it.
Like TOS?It can work in multiple ways. Ignoring continuity issues is something people do with other shows all the time.
Sure, why not? There's no real winners in this game.Like TOS?
And was also stated in dialogue to be the case in the Voyager episode Relativity.
Thanks for the further explanation.
I still don't quite agree with this idea, especially when it comes to visuals. I myself am into deep lore in regards to several franchises. And for these frequent deep dives into the lore of many fictional worlds actually taught me not to be bothered by contradictions, because no fictional world is 100% internally consistent. I have learned to love it all for what it is; fiction. And fiction can and will be shaped in new ways whenever it is continued. So I generally do not see anything wrong when visual changes happen, especially not between instalments of a a franchise that were produced several decades apart from each other.
I can still dislike a change a change. For example I prefer the Klingon makeup from 90s Trek over the Klingon makeup from DISC and think this change was unnecessary. But to me it's simply that, a make-up change, and I do not feel the need to rationalize all of DISC as some falsified or in-universe fictional account because of this.
That's why I also dislike things like the storyline in ENT that made up this whole virus things that transformed the 90s Klingons into the TOS Klingons, or the endless explanations in the expanded universe that try to explain while the TNG Trill look different from the DS9 and later Trill and things like that.
It's unnecessary to me, since it's a make-up change that needs no in-universe explanation.
#1 The Borg cube traveled to the sol system, and as the ship was exploding, the Sphere launched and went back in time. The Ent-E followed them back to stop them. Some wreckage and drones survived to be found in the 22nd century. The NX-01 stopped them, but not before a signal was sent to the DQ, estimated to take about 200 years if it made it there at all.
#2 If it's a timeline, how do you explain the Borgified Earth of 2373 that Picard and friends briefly saw, the reason for them to follow the sphere back in time?
#3 Based on what we've seen of the Borg across various series, it seems the Borg would have just sent a fleet of Cubes and assimilated the Federation.
#4 I reject the predestination paradox, because this is how the Borg were set up across their first 6 episodes on TNG. For me, the movie First Contact represents three timelines.
Timeline A: leading up to the Sphere going back in time.
Timeline B: Timeline A morphs into a Borigied Earth before the Ent-E. Horrified, the Ent-E follows the Sphere back in time.
Timeline C: The "mostly" restored timeline.
#5 I can contend in Timeline A, the Borg were just checking shit out, and in Timeline C, the Borg were responding to the signal from the "Regeneration" episode. However, I do not believe it is a predestination paradox.
Timeline A: The borg are just checking shit out.
Timeline B: Borgified Earth, prompting the Ent-E (protected by the temporal wake) to go back and "repair whatever damage they have done."
Timeline C: Borg wreckage and drones found in the Antarctic about 90 years later, the events of "Regeneration" happen, fast forward to the 2360's, the Borg cube is sniffing around due to the signal over "checking shit out."
I can contend the timeline changed, but I don't buy it's predestined.
Perhaps because they'd have no way of having knowledge of the original timeline?
Thank you for this.
Indeed, yes. I don't mind changes, especially when you remember it's fiction and art and people get creative. That doesn't automatically make it a different timeline.
I've got a lot of examples of places I think the franchise contradicts or is irreconcilable but it's still presented as one universe and that's fine by me.
They knew the timeline changed, that's the entire point of their division
They're not all knowing, and given they're based the 29th century, they can know all about the Borg and Ent-E showing up in 2063, but how could they know of 2063 where the Borg and Ent-E didn't show up? They can only know about the final timeline. Same logic applies to "Endgame." They know what went down with Voyager's homecoming, but Admiral Janeway's future will have already been a defunct timeline long before Starfleet time cops became a thing.
#6 You're stretching more than Reed Richards and making things far, far, far more complicated than is necessary or was intended. And I seem to recall having this exact same pointless, circular argument with you once before, so now I'm done.
I understand all of this, I just disagree. My interpretation of the film is 3 timelines: the original, the Borgified, the mostly restored. Why not? We've seen this in numerous Star Trek episodes.
In Back to the Future, Marty left the original timeline in 1985, went back to 1955, influenced events in the past, then returned to 1985, which subtly changed into a new timeline because of what he did in the past. The kicker is that even in the new subtly altered 1985, Marty still saw himself go back in time. So even in the new 1985, Marty still goes back to 1955. So people in the new timeline would still know that, even though it’s a new timeline.
I’m not saying that’s what happened with FC, but you simply never know with time travel, because there are no set rules as to how it actually works.
I’m not saying that’s what happened with FC, but you simply never know with time travel, because there are no set rules as to how it actually works.
She's more like at young Janice Rand.
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