Is this a faithful prequel to TOS?

[F. King Daniel]

Smallville's a prequel to the idea of Superman, not the (then) Christopher Reeves, Superboy, nor Lois & Clark. The later stuff didn't exist yet. The same goes for Gotham, it was an origin story, but not a prequel to the anthology films nor the Dark Knight trilogy. BVS wasn't out yet. My understanding is that SNW was conceived of as and intended to be a prequel specifically to TOS, not just the idea of TOS. That said, I understand they'd take creative liberties for the 2020's audience. Surely it doesn't contradict the original show that badly, does it?

Nurse Chapel is pretty much an entirely different person, Spock has a wife who is part of his life.

If you're into the technical stuff, the ship is much bigger and has far more advanced technology than the ship in TOS had, like a forcefield in the shuttlebay when the classic show had to wait for air to fill the shuttlebay after a landing.

As said, it's IMO a prequel in the same vague ways as the other shows I mentioned. In the eyes of Paramount, they act like it's a direct prequel, even if one episode explicitly acknowledges the timeline of the Eugenics Wars has been changed

Spoiler: SNW season 2

The Eugenics Wars were moved up from the 1990's by Romulans, in SNW Khan Noonien Singh is a Canadian child in 2024.

so this could be used as a workaround should the viewer wish.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Nurse Chapel is pretty much an entirely different person, Spock has a wife who is part of his life.

If you're into the technical stuff, the ship is much bigger and has far more advanced technology than the ship in TOS had, like a forcefield in the shuttlebay when the classic show had to wait for air to fill the shuttlebay after a landing.

As said, it's IMO a prequel in the same vague ways as the other shows I mentioned. In the eyes of Paramount, they act like it's a direct prequel, even if one episode explicitly acknowledges the timeline of the Eugenics Wars has been changed

Spoiler: SNW season 2

The Eugenics Wars were moved up from the 1990's by Romulans, in SNW Khan Noonien Singh is a Canadian child in 2024.

so this could be used as a workaround should the viewer wish.

#1 I'll watch for Nurse Chapen when I dive into the series. Love the character.
#2 Wasn't Spock's wife central to "Amok Time" with the crazy music and fake-out Kirk death?
#3 I don't mind the ship being a little bigger if it's still in "close enough" territory.
#4 I actually like the technology being a 2020's vision of the future and not a 1960's vision.
#5 I do not care if the Eugenics Wars is retconned and folded into WW3.
#6 However, if this is changed via time travel, shouldn't that result in the entire world of Star Trek being vastly different? A much smaller change in 2024 gave us the xenophobic Confederation and evil Picard Borg slayer in PIC S2.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nurse Chapel is pretty much an entirely different person,

A step up from not being a person.

 

[fireproof78]

3 I don't mind the ship being a little bigger if it's still in "close enough" territory.

Since it never had an official size stated and twice the crew moving from Pike to Kirk, non-issue here.

I do not care if the Eugenics Wars is retconned and folded into WW3.

It always was per TOS.

And then TNG moved it to the 21st century and a nuclear exchange.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Since it never had an official size stated and twice the crew moving from Pike to Kirk, non-issue here.


It always was per TOS.

And then TNG moved it to the 21st century and a nuclear exchange.

Doesn't the Enterprise scale mostly come from the windows, the shuttlebay, and the first movie's extensive scale-themed flybys? Are you saying that TOS had WW3 in the 90's, but TNG moved WW3 to mid-21st century? I always thought the Eugenics War and WW3 were separate conflicts.

 

[F. King Daniel]

#2 Wasn't Spock's wife central to "Amok Time" with the crazy music and fake-out Kirk death?

Yes but that episode heavily implied Spock hadn't seem T'Pring since they were betrothed age 7. In SNW she's an ongoing part of his life, visits the ship etc.

I'm not saying the discontinuities are a bad thing, it's an interesting take, IMO. And I think Sam Kirk is an awesome addition.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Yes but that episode heavily implied Spock hadn't seem T'Pring since they were betrothed age 7. In SNW she's an ongoing part of his life, visits the ship etc.

I'm not saying the discontinuities are a bad thing, it's an interesting take, IMO. And I think Sam Kirk is an awesome addition.

Is this one of those things were they're ditching throw-away dialogue for storytelling liberties?
Remember when Sisko's dad was dead until he wasn't?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes but that episode heavily implied Spock hadn't seem T'Pring since they were betrothed age 7. In SNW she's an ongoing part of his life, visits the ship etc.

I'm not saying the discontinuities are a bad thing, it's an interesting take, IMO. And I think Sam Kirk is an awesome addition.

"Heavily" might be stretch. Spock looks at a picture of T'Pring as a child and mentions the betrothal. OTOH, when she pops up fully grown on the viewscreen he has no trouble IDing her as his not quite wife.

 

[fireproof78]

Doesn't the Enterprise scale mostly come from the windows, the shuttlebay, and the first movie's extensive scale-themed flybys? Are you saying that TOS had WW3 in the 90's, but TNG moved WW3 to mid-21st century? I always thought the Eugenics War and WW3 were separate conflicts.

Assumptions based on the references, yes. But a canonical size is not stated.


Yes, TOS had the Eugenics War as the last world war, or world war 3.

 

[HotRod]

Are you saying that TOS had WW3 in the 90's, but TNG moved WW3 to mid-21st century?

Yes.

I always thought the Eugenics War and WW3 were separate conflicts.

The Eugenics War was described as "The last of your world wars." Or something to that effect.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes.

The Eugenics War was described as "The last of your world wars." Or something to that effect.

Like which century it takes place in, TOS is a bit cagey on the name and date "last world war".

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Yes.

The Eugenics War was described as "The last of your world wars." Or something to that effect.

But then TNG had WW3 as mid-21st century, but wasn't the Eugenics War still set back in the 90's?
Have the Eugenics War and WW3 always been one and the same? News to me!

 

[Nerys Myk]

But then TNG had WW3 as mid-21st century, but wasn't the Eugenics War still set back in the 90's?
Have the Eugenics War and WW3 always been one and the same? News to me!

Depends on who's winning the Temporal Cold War that week.

 

[HotRod]

But then TNG had WW3 as mid-21st century, but wasn't the Eugenics War still set back in the 90's?
Have the Eugenics War and WW3 always been one and the same? News to me!

Yes, they've always been one and the same. TOS had it in the 90's, TNG moved the date of WW3 the 21st century. SNW just followed in TNG's lead.

 

[fireproof78]

But then TNG had WW3 as mid-21st century, but wasn't the Eugenics War still set back in the 90's?
Have the Eugenics War and WW3 always been one and the same? News to me!

In TOS Eugenics War/WW3 is in the 1990s.

From Space Seed:

SPOCK: No such vessel listed. Records of that period are fragmentary, however. The mid=1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
MCCOY: The Eugenics Wars.

ETA: what @HellRod the said too.

 

[UssGlenn]

yeah, we all just ignored the discontinuity. Something modern shows are raked over the coals for.

 

[Yistaan]

In TOS Eugenics War/WW3 is in the 1990s.

From Space Seed:

SPOCK: No such vessel listed. Records of that period are fragmentary, however. The mid=1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
MCCOY: The Eugenics Wars.

ETA: what @HellRod the said too.

Even if Spock was wrong Khan himself confirmed the 1990s date in Wrath of Khan. That being said, I find it hilarious that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan are now technically non-canon in Trek because of this dialogue.

 

[fireproof78]

Even if Spock was wrong Khan himself confirmed the 1990s date in Wrath of Khan. That being said, I find it hilarious that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan are now technically non-canon in Trek because of this dialogue.

Still canon.


Not necessarily in the same continuity. Or, how I've always treated TMP and TWOK compared to TOS.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Even if Spock was wrong Khan himself confirmed the 1990s date in Wrath of Khan. That being said, I find it hilarious that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan are now technically non-canon in Trek because of this dialogue.

It's like deflector control on the Ent-B being Deck 15 when it should have been Deck 25.
Deck 78 on the Ent-A. The Ent-E having 24, 26, 29 decks.
Voyager-A had 30 decks until you go to deck 32, I think.
Sisko's dad being dead until he wasn't.
Tom Paris picked up as a Badlands guide being reconned into "because piloting skills."
The retcons and goofs are endless.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Even if Spock was wrong Khan himself confirmed the 1990s date in Wrath of Khan. That being said, I find it hilarious that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan are now technically non-canon in Trek because of this dialogue.

Well, no. Those lines are not part of continuity. The episode and film are very much in continuity and canon. Trek doesn't excise enter films or episodes based on one line or one word being over written. If it, did we'd lose a large chunk of TOS and a handful of TNG.