There's no Chapel in any of the drafts and revisions for TUC. You may be misconstruing that with the deleted scene between Chapel and Sarek before the council chamber scene at the start of TVH.
Is this a faithful prequel to TOS?
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I will be the outlier here and state my opinion that there are fundamental differences between DSC/SNW and TOS which make them incompatible with each other, and it's more than just random inconsistencies between one show and another.
I see it as akin to more like the situation with TOS BSG and nuBSG. No, they are not the same characters despite having the same names, and the ship is not the same ship despite having the same name, and the Cylons are not the same Cylons despite being called Cylons, etc., but there are enough similarities from one show to the other that the latter is a worthy update to the former and that the characters and story are developed in new and interesting ways than the former show ever took them. But nuBSG is still a fundamentally different show than TOS BSG, and was never meant to be linked to TOS BSG or imply that it took place in the same continuity.
And before anyone raises a stink: Yes, I am fully aware that this was not CBS/Paramount+'s intention. I am simply answering the OP's question.
I see it as akin to more like the situation with TOS BSG and nuBSG. No, they are not the same characters despite having the same names, and the ship is not the same ship despite having the same name, and the Cylons are not the same Cylons despite being called Cylons, etc., but there are enough similarities from one show to the other that the latter is a worthy update to the former and that the characters and story are developed in new and interesting ways than the former show ever took them. But nuBSG is still a fundamentally different show than TOS BSG, and was never meant to be linked to TOS BSG or imply that it took place in the same continuity.
And before anyone raises a stink: Yes, I am fully aware that this was not CBS/Paramount+'s intention. I am simply answering the OP's question.
I think season 1 was working backwards from TOS with the characters and season 2 is working forwards. Characters and "relationships" between them are evolving and growing (as in any TV series) but to a point where there is no pathway back to what they were. Uhura, Spock, Chapel are the big 3 that come to mind. Just taking Uhura for example, she's really a strong character that doesn't take crap from others and is far more of a team player in the crew. I can't imagine her going back to being as quiet and reserved as she was on TOS.Why do you say S2 is too far off to lead into TOS? I don't care about spoilers, but SHUSH about character deaths.
I think I'll be able to make a more informed opinion when we've reached the final season. It's a good sequel to DSC 1&2, the best seasons of Discovery imo.
It wasn't until Revenge Of The Sith that i really felt like the SW prequels worked. Clunky as hell, but they worked. A lot can change for these characters/the ship/Starfleet/aliens in the next 3+ years.
I think the spirit of TOS is there. That's a good baseline.
It wasn't until Revenge Of The Sith that i really felt like the SW prequels worked. Clunky as hell, but they worked. A lot can change for these characters/the ship/Starfleet/aliens in the next 3+ years.
I think the spirit of TOS is there. That's a good baseline.
BSG was just a one-season show and a 10-episode spin-off, yes? It wasn't really a franchise, 34-episodes and out. It made sense to do a remake or reboot. In this case, Star Trek had already been rebooted with a trilogy of films. When returning to TV, my understanding was all of the planned shows would be based on the 1966-2005 run, not the film trilogy, and not a 2nd reboot.
Discovery S2 leads into SNW which has a crossover with LD which is a 4th series to TNG/DS9/VOY taking place after Nemesis, complete with crossovers like Riker and Troi on the Titan. Prodigy place 5 years after Voyager's homecoming with Janeway as a main character. Picard as a series picks up 20 years after Nemesis. It's all prime-timeline.
Strong, independent, take-no-crap can also be attributed to youth. As people grow and age, they calm down, become more team-oriented, but Uhura was always (to me at least) a take-no-crap as was most of the crew, really.
Off topic, but I recently watched "Dagger of the Mind" from TOS. When Spock runs in to rescue Kirk towards the end only to find him kissing the psychologist because of the mind-warp machine, Spock had this completely deflated "I guess you don't need rescuing" body language. It was so subtle and so obvious; it made me literal LOL.
I answered your question. If you don’t like my answer or don’t agree with my opinion, that’s your choice. It doesn’t matter how many episodes TOS BSG had; that’s irrelevant to the discussion. I was using it as an example of how different one show is in comparison to the show it is a reboot of, while still sharing the same fundamental story.
OK, let's say in the space of 6 years she becomes more mature, a totally quiet person, less independent and less likely to speak up. You'll have to do the same with Spock and Chapel but it starts to feel more of a stretch then. Just saying they got older isn't really believable.
A mean, getting older can absolutely be part of it, because I've witnessed friends calm down and chill out as they grow older within as little as 5 years.
I'm waiting for the twist where Number One falls for Roger Korby instead of Chapel, and we realise that TOS Chapel was her in a wig the whole time.
Absolutely. Things that inflame us as newer adult calm over time. Maturation has an impact, as well as the trauma Chapel experiences.
Chapel lines up.
The complaints on here about SNW characters not lining up with TOS can actually be made about, say, someone watching TNG after watching Picard. No one would think that the Crusher in TNG is capable of ghosting Picard for over 20 years, or that the Riker and Troi in TNG would've let their son die over an unjust synth-ban without a fight--TNG Riker and Troi would be rocking all those underworld connections, not unlike how Riker contacted Quark in one TNG episode, to get their son cured, even if it meant, say, teaming up with Starfleet officer Nog and Nog's father Grand Nagus Rom to obtain synth positronic tech from the Ferengi Alliance who would likely try to profit from the Fed's synth ban to offer their own alternatives for profit.
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Which is why PIC season 3 was so dumb. Crusher acted completely out of character because that’s the way the shithead PIC scriptwriter wrote her. It had nothing to do with someone changing over time.
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Depends on what you want out of it? No one here is really going to be able to answer beyond personal preference. Jump in!
After I finish Disco S2.
I consider Strange New Worlds more of a reboot than a prequel. Modern sensibilities, modern characters, re-imagined characters, modern technology.
If you squint hard enough you can see Smallville or Gotham as prequels to any Batman, same with SNW and TOS.
If you squint hard enough you can see Smallville or Gotham as prequels to any Batman, same with SNW and TOS.
Smallville's a prequel to the idea of Superman, not the (then) Christopher Reeves, Superboy, nor Lois & Clark. The later stuff didn't exist yet. The same goes for Gotham, it was an origin story, but not a prequel to the anthology films nor the Dark Knight trilogy. BVS wasn't out yet. My understanding is that SNW was conceived of as and intended to be a prequel specifically to TOS, not just the idea of TOS. That said, I understand they'd take creative liberties for the 2020's audience. Surely it doesn't contradict the original show that badly, does it?
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