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Is the new movie Ok for a 4 year old?

Should you take a 4 year old to see this movie


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And, as a point of curiousity, how many in this thread who have expressed NO reservations whatsoever about a 4 year old at this movie have children? I'd wager none of you. And while I am usually a very staunch defender of the notion that you need not experience something first hand to have a useful comment, in this case I'd call for an exception.

I'm not sure if simply having children automatically means that you will be more sensible with them than people who aren't parents. Having worked in social services, special needs education and now in pediatrics, I have seen some catastrophically bad parents on the one hand, and some great doctors, nurses, social workers and teachers on the other hand, who were childless but absolutely great with kids. Some of them of course had loads of experience with children but some were young and inexperienced and still had a lot of sense about them and were able to deal well even with very troubled and troublesome youngsters.
My call for an exception was to those making remarks that there is nothing at all to be concerned about in bringing a four year old to the movie (I did not express this clearly, I was a bit rushed). Of course being a parent is not automatically a guarantee of good judgement, nor is not having children a guarantee of the reverse (I've been a teacher for 20 years--at one time or another I've taught every grade from Jr. Kindergarten to undergrads and I only had children after moving to the older end of the teaching spectrum). My point was that I believe there is a very high correlation in this thread between lacking any concern and not having children.

To be clear, I think parents have the right to decide what their kids can watch and I intensely dislike having decisions like that made for me. However, the OP asked for an opinion and I believe, in this case, being a parent allows one, in the aggregate, to have a more informed opinion than not being a parent. Based on that, I made my recommendation (against going to the theatre, and for the DVD option, if the parent deemed the film suitable at all). I stand by those points. The appropriateness of the content is (and should be) the parent's decision. The venue where the content is viewed, however, needs to take more points into account and common sense strongly suggests a home viewing environment for this film for someone so young is FAR more preferable than the cinema.
 
Well, as I already said in this thread or some other (too lazy to look), while we were waiting in line and the former audience filed out, one lady looked to be consoling a young child -- for what reason, I do not know.
 
My call for an exception was to those making remarks that there is nothing at all to be concerned about in bringing a four year old to the movie (I did not express this clearly, I was a bit rushed). Of course being a parent is not automatically a guarantee of good judgement, nor is not having children a guarantee of the reverse (I've been a teacher for 20 years--at one time or another I've taught every grade from Jr. Kindergarten to undergrads and I only had children after moving to the older end of the teaching spectrum). My point was that I believe there is a very high correlation in this thread between lacking any concern and not having children.

This correlation might actually be real beyond this thread. There is a segment in society that feels a great deal of contempt for "breading" as they call it and all that "spawns" from it. Naturally, they are childless so this might lead to a generalised bias amongst those who have no children if taken as a collated group.

To be clear, I think parents have the right to decide what their kids can watch and I intensely dislike having decisions like that made for me. However, the OP asked for an opinion and I believe, in this case, being a parent allows one, in the aggregate, to have a more informed opinion than not being a parent. Based on that, I made my recommendation (against going to the theatre, and for the DVD option, if the parent deemed the film suitable at all). I stand by those points. The appropriateness of the content is (and should be) the parent's decision. The venue where the content is viewed, however, needs to take more points into account and common sense strongly suggests a home viewing environment for this film for someone so young is FAR more preferable than the cinema.

This is not really a question about the parent's right to decide. That right is quite firmly in place and I couldn't imagine a differeny system short from totalitarianism. This, of course, does not preclude the possibilty that such a right, if exercised with poor judgement, can cause harm or distress to a child who is being decided upon. Often I have had the impression that parents can be quite selfish, mostly unknowingly, deciding their kid should do one thing or another, when this was in the parent's best interest and not the child's. Please note, I'm not insinuating that this applies to the OP or anybody else here specifically. Its just that some parents do not realise that these two are often quite disparat, i.e. with regard to who'se interest is being served. It's not always easy to take the perspective of children, but it needs to be done if one wants to be fair to them.

In my experience, when children realise you take them seriously in this way and begin to understand what they really want and feel etc. they get very friendly and obliging with you. In educational and mental health settings (which are quite different from parent-child relationships of course, but still), this is how I have managed to deal with very defiant children who had severe behavioural difficulties. It takes time and doens't work like a magic trick, but once you have this understanding the relationship gets much easier (although, this does not eliminate their problems, it only changes how they deal with you, to get beyond this can require therapy). However, the point is that this appraoch is noticed and has quite an impact. And I would argue that parent's who try to see things through their children's eyes get on with them better.

It's certainly not my intention to lecture you or any one and I hope what I have written does not come across in this way. It is also probably clear by now, that I'm not a parent yet and have mainly had experience in professional environments which are a different kettle of fish. I'm just trying to make the point that even with little things like watching action movies aimed at adults, the chance that a small child will get enjoyment from it might be far less than one would consider for oneself as a grown-up. So one should ask oneself, why do I want to watch this movie with my young kid? Just because it's Star Trek and I would like to have a Star Trek family experience? Or perhaps one is watching action films with one's 4-year-old all the time? For most it will be the former and then why have your child watch such an age inappropriate film? To them the concept of Star Trek will be fairly meaningless and I am not sure that the family-togetherness during the event will be what they remember the most.
 
Mmm, my kids are now 22 and 19. I wouldn't have taken them when they were 4. Maybe 8 or 9, think I took no 1 son to GEN around that age.
 
I've seen it 3 times now (yes, a paltry sum) and at least two out of the three showings had young children in the audience. The infant cried a bit but the toddlers seemed ok, if a little restive at times.

As far as content, if you've seen the previews, you know there's a bit of intimacy so you'd have to make your own determination on whether that's something to show your kids or not, as well as the physical violence. However, in my estimation, the violence was not particularly graphic - you didn't really see the casualties. Swearing was pretty much limited to McCoy's 'Damn it, Jim!' lines.

JoAryn
 
Take the kid. At least then they can brag 20 years from now on some future-interweb device, that they saw it in the movie theater way back when. When they actually still used 'film' on some screens.
 
As a parent of toddlers I wouldn't take my kids to see this movie. I had a hard time getting them to sit still through Sesame Street Live yesterday. Taking them to Star Trek would be two hours of them asking "what's this," "where's spock," "that's jim," "enterprise!" And lots and lots of squirming. My kids actually like Star Trek, but I'm not going to make the rest of the theater endure my kids for two hours while they're tying to enjoy a movie.

When the DVD comes out, they'll probably get to watch it with me. Then again they may get to wait a few more years too, I'll decide when the time comes and what level they are developmentally in November.
 
I ask, because we're going to the movies tomorrow, but my wife is thinking of taking my four year old to a kids movie.

The thing is...i would LOVE to share the experience with my little girl. I was about 4 when I was first exposed to Star Trek (reruns in Chicago on Channel 9, Tuesday & Thursdays at 7pm). It'd be nice topossibly give my child a similar experience.

From those who have seen it...what do YOU think?

I voted no (the less traumatic of the two "no" options) for these reasons:

- Some blood

- Some of the hand to hand violence may be a bit intense for a child that young

- Implied sexuality

- Mild profanity

- Horror? Depending on the child but he or she could find the Romulan ship a little too discomforting


On the other hand, I wouldn't have an issue with anyone around the age of ten. But when you mention 4 years of age...I can't help think of my very first ever cinema experience which was at that age. I went with Mum and Dad to see Milo and Otis (a cute live action family adventure about a cat and a dog). I cried when the dog jumped down the waterfall and I also got scared when one of the animals were growling during a confrontation with a bull-dog. So I imagine Star Trek might be that bit too heavy for a child. But, on the other hand, it is subjective to the viewer at the end of the day, but i'd hold out for DVD at the very least.
 
As a parent of toddlers I wouldn't take my kids to see this movie. I had a hard time getting them to sit still through Sesame Street Live yesterday. Taking them to Star Trek would be two hours of them asking "what's this," "where's spock," "that's jim," "enterprise!" And lots and lots of squirming. My kids actually like Star Trek, but I'm not going to make the rest of the theater endure my kids for two hours while they're tying to enjoy a movie.


God bless you.

Help the economy. Hire a babysitter.
 
My call for an exception was to those making remarks that there is nothing at all to be concerned about in bringing a four year old to the movie (I did not express this clearly, I was a bit rushed). Of course being a parent is not automatically a guarantee of good judgement, nor is not having children a guarantee of the reverse (I've been a teacher for 20 years--at one time or another I've taught every grade from Jr. Kindergarten to undergrads and I only had children after moving to the older end of the teaching spectrum). My point was that I believe there is a very high correlation in this thread between lacking any concern and not having children.

This correlation might actually be real beyond this thread. There is a segment in society that feels a great deal of contempt for "breading" as they call it and all that "spawns" from it. Naturally, they are childless so this might lead to a generalised bias amongst those who have no children if taken as a collated group.

To be clear, I think parents have the right to decide what their kids can watch and I intensely dislike having decisions like that made for me. However, the OP asked for an opinion and I believe, in this case, being a parent allows one, in the aggregate, to have a more informed opinion than not being a parent. Based on that, I made my recommendation (against going to the theatre, and for the DVD option, if the parent deemed the film suitable at all). I stand by those points. The appropriateness of the content is (and should be) the parent's decision. The venue where the content is viewed, however, needs to take more points into account and common sense strongly suggests a home viewing environment for this film for someone so young is FAR more preferable than the cinema.

This is not really a question about the parent's right to decide. That right is quite firmly in place and I couldn't imagine a differeny system short from totalitarianism. This, of course, does not preclude the possibilty that such a right, if exercised with poor judgement, can cause harm or distress to a child who is being decided upon. Often I have had the impression that parents can be quite selfish, mostly unknowingly, deciding their kid should do one thing or another, when this was in the parent's best interest and not the child's. Please note, I'm not insinuating that this applies to the OP or anybody else here specifically. Its just that some parents do not realise that these two are often quite disparat, i.e. with regard to who'se interest is being served. It's not always easy to take the perspective of children, but it needs to be done if one wants to be fair to them.

In my experience, when children realise you take them seriously in this way and begin to understand what they really want and feel etc. they get very friendly and obliging with you. In educational and mental health settings (which are quite different from parent-child relationships of course, but still), this is how I have managed to deal with very defiant children who had severe behavioural difficulties. It takes time and doens't work like a magic trick, but once you have this understanding the relationship gets much easier (although, this does not eliminate their problems, it only changes how they deal with you, to get beyond this can require therapy). However, the point is that this appraoch is noticed and has quite an impact. And I would argue that parent's who try to see things through their children's eyes get on with them better.

It's certainly not my intention to lecture you or any one and I hope what I have written does not come across in this way. It is also probably clear by now, that I'm not a parent yet and have mainly had experience in professional environments which are a different kettle of fish. I'm just trying to make the point that even with little things like watching action movies aimed at adults, the chance that a small child will get enjoyment from it might be far less than one would consider for oneself as a grown-up. So one should ask oneself, why do I want to watch this movie with my young kid? Just because it's Star Trek and I would like to have a Star Trek family experience? Or perhaps one is watching action films with one's 4-year-old all the time? For most it will be the former and then why have your child watch such an age inappropriate film? To them the concept of Star Trek will be fairly meaningless and I am not sure that the family-togetherness during the event will be what they remember the most.

(for everyone, not necessarily to the person i am directly replying to): I like the debate....let's make sure we don't beat up each other. But i appreciate the thought out views.
For Jeffries) To be honest, there is indeed a bit of selfishness on my part. My daughter doesn engage in some of theshows my wife and i watch. For example, she still asks about Steve-o & Lacey, even though they've already been eliminated from Dancing with the Stars, or saying that "Anoop Dog is a rock star" when he was still on American Idol.

But i wanted to hear from people, before I went out & saw it, if it was something I could bring her to.

We have definitely learned to go to the early show (as that's more peaceful for us anyway; usually less crowded), and my daughter has been pretty good about not having a fit (usually), and we take her out if she does. (She's no worse than other adults we've seen, who have talked on the cell phone, etc.)


So thanks for the conversation...hope others are benefitting from it as well.
 
As a parent of toddlers I wouldn't take my kids to see this movie. I had a hard time getting them to sit still through Sesame Street Live yesterday. Taking them to Star Trek would be two hours of them asking "what's this," "where's spock," "that's jim," "enterprise!" And lots and lots of squirming. My kids actually like Star Trek, but I'm not going to make the rest of the theater endure my kids for two hours while they're tying to enjoy a movie.

When the DVD comes out, they'll probably get to watch it with me. Then again they may get to wait a few more years too, I'll decide when the time comes and what level they are developmentally in November.

No, thank YOU! :)
 
Well, my folks took me to Star Wars. I was 2 1/2, but freakishly well-behaved they tell me.

And come to think of it, I now live primarily in a pseudo-mythological fantasy-reality, in which magic most definitely exists. :)
So I'd say it's a go!

Couldn't be any worse than the purist I ended up two seats away from, groaning and twitching and sighing and muttering snarkily to himself until around 2/3 through when he finally STFU and started having fun with it.

And there were quite a lot of people laughing out loud when I saw it last thursday, myself included. (And one imbecile with a cellphone, who of course took the call. :rolleyes:) If one wants total silence you'll have to wait for the DVD and put it on the headphones -

The sound levels can be pretty high, that might be my only concern. The Romulan villian is a little scary, but he's no Darth Vader.
 
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