Is the bridge at a funny angle?

[ZapBrannigan]

We could certainly afford to loose a few more consoles if compared to Archer's bridge, which had 3 less

I like the abundance of bridge stations on the Connie. It creates the feeling that you can truly monitor and control every aspect of starship operations from one room, no matter what the mission.

 

[blssdwlf]

Stepping back a few weeks ago to our discussion about the alleged additional exit on the starboard side of the Bridge, I made a curious discovery the other day. I was watching This Side of Paradise which as we know features that famous scene of the empty Bridge which got reused when the homage scene in Relics was made 25 years later.

The curious thing is that the Bridge configuration is of the "short rail" version, the one used whenever the wedge next to Mr Spock's station was removed to make it easier to get the cameras into position for decent shots.
It is plain to see 3 rail supports on the left of the image, 4 on the right hand rail (albeit one hidden behind the captain's chair):

There were a lot of close up shots of Spock's and Uhura's station in this episode so I imagine that is the reason this configuration was used. It's also possible that the set was left that way from the filming of the previous episode Space Seed (see clips at 10mins and 35mins) and it just happened to fit Director Ralph Senensky's needs.

But whatever the reason, the configuration was kept and so this was how it ended up in Relics.

Also in Relics we have the onscreen depiction of a doorway, roughly in the position of the missing wedge console:
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That's not a holodeck doorway that Scotty and Picard enter the bridge simulation by, it's one that's look identical to the turbolift alcove (which in real life it was, because only a small portion of the Bridge set was actually built).
So, the TOS Bridge in Relics actually looks something like this:

I suppose technically speaking (since never see the doors of the secondary alcove are never shown) it might look something like this:

Or maybe a combination of the two? In any case, a secondary entrance to the TOS Bridge is not only strongly hinted at in TOS but confirmed onscreen in TNG

That's an excellent observation! But I think the position of the turbolift is too far back and based on the angle Scotty walks in should be on the opposite side of the existing turbolift (they should be facing each other).

 

[Maurice]

That's an excellent observation! But I think the position of the turbolift is too far back and based on the angle Scotty walks in should be on the opposite side of the existing turbolift (they should be facing each other).

The holodeck doesn't require you to enter through an in-hologram doorway, so, no, no door there.

 

[GNDN18]

Replace ALL the consoles with turbolift alcoves. Dazzle any enemy that dares invade the bridge.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Makes me think of Yellow Submarine...or Let's Make a Deal.

 

[blssdwlf]

The holodeck doesn't require you to enter through an in-hologram doorway, so, no, no door there.

However, @Mytran 's observation is correct. If you watch the scene, Scotty walks in thru the holodeck door and the camera's reverse angle shows part of a TOS turbolift alcove and console behind him. Scotty then proceeds to walk across the bridge to the turbolift that we're familiar with thru the series.

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[David cgc]

Replace ALL the consoles with turbolift alcoves. Dazzle any enemy that dares invade the bridge.

A bridge has one lift.... one lift! One Spock, one lift!!

However, @Mytran 's observation is correct. If you watch the scene, Scotty walks in thru the holodeck door and the camera's reverse angle shows part of a TOS turbolift alcove and console behind him. Scotty then proceeds to walk across the bridge to the turbolift that we're familiar with thru the series.

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Well, yeah, but there's also a weird separator between each station, and another perimeter console behind Picard where the viewscreen should be. I guess we could always two-wrongs-make-a-right it and throw in the rotating helm console theory, so Scotty and Picard enter from the normal turbolift, the one in the main shot is the TAS door, and the helm is pointing towards Spock's station. I count a mere two direct contradictions of this stupid, stupid theory in the scene.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

However, @Mytran 's observation is correct. If you watch the scene, Scotty walks in thru the holodeck door and the camera's reverse angle shows part of a TOS turbolift alcove and console behind him. Scotty then proceeds to walk across the bridge to the turbolift that we're familiar with thru the series.

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It was likely the case that the alcove existed only as long as the holodeck was showing the "archway"/in "arch mode" and that when the "arch mode" timed-out the alcove reverted to a bridge station.

 

[blssdwlf]

It was likely the case that the alcove existed only as long as the holodeck was showing the "archway"/in "arch mode" and that when the "arch mode" timed-out the alcove reverted to a bridge station.

I thought so too but watch further and around 1:55-2:10 Picard walks in with this "mystery turbolift area" visible behind him and you can hear the holodeck doors close and the bridge station never reverts back in...

Maybe the TNG production wanted to stealth mimic the E-D's bridge layout?

 

[cooleddie74]

I'd like to give them credit for remembering that TAS had two turbolifts on the bridge but nah, it's likely just them either not paying attention and not realizing it'd create a continuity error or thinking it would look cool for a second TOS-style turbolift alcove to appear when somebody entered this particular holoprogram.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

thinking it would look cool for a second TOS-style turbolift alcove to appear when somebody entered this particular holoprogram

This is what I was getting at.

I thought so too but watch further and around 1:55-2:10 Picard walks in with this "mystery turbolift area" visible behind him and you can hear the holodeck doors close and the bridge station never reverts back in...

You mean they never show it reverting and/or it's missing the audio sound FX for arch vanishing? Sterilize imperfections?

 

[blssdwlf]

You mean they never show it reverting and/or it's missing the audio sound FX for arch vanishing? Sterilize imperfections?

Imperfections? The holodeck is pretty smart. It saw Scotty was drunk and figured no bloody person would notice all the turbolifts

As @David cgc points out, we can see dividers that look suspiciously like the edges of turbolift alcoves on the other side of Scotty's station.

OTOH, later angles show a console behind Picard where there would've been the mystery turbolift (or the main bridge screen) so you could be right that it was a delayed arch transition.

A bridge has one lift.... one lift! One Spock, one lift!!
Well, yeah, but there's also a weird separator between each station, and another perimeter console behind Picard where the viewscreen should be. I guess we could always two-wrongs-make-a-right it and throw in the rotating helm console theory, so Scotty and Picard enter from the normal turbolift, the one in the main shot is the TAS door, and the helm is pointing towards Spock's station. I count a mere two direct contradictions of this stupid, stupid theory in the scene.

No. You're wrong. There are FOUR lifts!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Imperfections? The holodeck is pretty smart. It saw Scotty was drunk and figured no bloody person would notice all the turbolifts

As @David cgc points out, we can see dividers that look suspiciously like the edges of turbolift alcoves on the other side of Scotty's station.

OTOH, later angles show a console behind Picard where there would've been the mystery turbolift (or the main bridge screen) so you could be right that it was a delayed arch transition.



No. You're wrong. There are FOUR lifts!

Are we counting the ones in Shatner's shoes?

 

[blssdwlf]

Are we counting the ones in Shatner's shoes?

Okay... there are FIVE lifts.

 

[DonIago]

Makes me think of Yellow Submarine...or Let's Make a Deal.

Behind three of these doors are Klingon troopers with their disruptors set to kill...but behind the fourth door is A BRAND NEW RUNABOUT!!!

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I'm with Maurice: the Holodeck arch vanishes and the normal bridge stations take its place.

Scotty enters from that side because when the TNG producers went looking for a still frame of the empty bridge, the best they could find was that scene from "This Side of Paradise." So that's the picture he walks into.

I wish there had been a similar frame taken from the Turbolift entrance looking to starboard, like in Corbomite, Man Trap, and Is There in Truth, but all of those shots had people in them.

 

[publiusr]

Replace ALL the consoles with turbolift alcoves. Dazzle any enemy that dares invade the bridge.

That’s Scooby Doo you’re thinking of…

 

[F. King Daniel]

That has made my morning

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So, if the bridge is going to spin, the automatic bridge defense system really has to be a


DISCO ball.

 

[danellis]

The bridge is so funny it opened for Carrot Top!

The bridge's angle is funnier than "the Comic" from Outrageous Okona

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