Is the bridge at a funny angle?

[Locutus of Bored]

 

[MGagen]

 

[cooleddie74]

Must be those inertial dampeners.

 

[M'Sharak]

Is the bridge at a funny angle?

It's not unfunny, I guess, but the angle isn't really doing anything special for me. It's just OK.

 

[XCV330]

When you have years and years of building up verisimilitude and maintaining the appearance of a contiguous world, either by production teams, or ancillary information, there is a huge amount of emotional investment.

one set replaced another. the play remains the same. Hoffman may have done the best Death of a Salesman on Broadway in 84, but you don't need the old backdrops to see it acted out now.

Threads like this are what they used to call threadcounters in the SCA. how realistic is the fabric of the medieval garment you're wearing of a pretend time that never really quite existed in the first place. it's been fun watching it from far. fans are fans, they can enjoy the show however they like, I guess.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Is the bridge at a funny angle?

It's not unfunny, I guess, but the angle isn't really doing anything special for me. It's just OK.

As I see it, it's more of acute angle, than funny.

 

[BillJ]

one set replaced another. the play remains the same.

Does it though? We see these things with small changes from director to director, actors to actors. All putting their own spin on things, and they don't claim to be in continuity with each other...

After 56 years, Strange New Worlds will be a decidely different beast from the original Star Trek, just like Discovery is.

 

[Commander Troi]

Does it though? We see these things with small changes from director to director, actors to actors. All putting their own spin on things, and they don't claim to be in continuity with each other...

After 56 years, Strange New Worlds will be a decidely different beast from the original Star Trek, just like Discovery is.

Both. Like every production of a play is the same words but differences in actors, directors, etc. I try to enjoy things for what they are. The fun of threads like this is in the discussion... and the bad jokes.

 

[XCV330]

Does it though? We see these things with small changes from director to director, actors to actors. All putting their own spin on things, and they don't claim to be in continuity with each other...

After 56 years, Strange New Worlds will be a decidely different beast from the original Star Trek, just like Discovery is.

Revelations doesn't seem very much like Genesis but there are people that manage to make it work for them. Star Trek must always balance its goals of attracting a wide audience vs satisfying an ever harder to satisfy fandom. Maybe a complete reboot of the franchise back in 09 would have been better.

 

[DonIago]

Threads like this are what they used to call threadcounters in the SCA. how realistic is the fabric of the medieval garment you're wearing of a pretend time that never really quite existed in the first place. it's been fun watching it from far. fans are fans, they can enjoy the show however they like, I guess.

Hey, I did SCA for awhile!

Heck, I just had a chat with someone yesterday whose sister had gotten caught up in a "you're not being authentic enough!" drama.

 

[publiusr]

Heh. I think how seriously I take this is ably demonstrated by my post saying I'd found proof that the bridge was set at a 35.5° angle.

That’s been hacked.

It slants forward at 35 degrees what with the big back wheels and hydraulics.

 

[Maurice]

That’s been hacked.

It slants forward at 35 degrees what with the big back wheels and hydraulics.

35.5.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

I think that I remember that some pages back someone suggested that maybe the bridge can tortate and change angle..

And just a few minutes before now, which is 9:20 pm EST, 09-13-2021, I had an idea about how that would work.

In a few of the early episodes of TOS, the turbolift had two doors, which of course is quite sensible. An inner door on the car, and an outer door at each destination. So, as in modern elevators, passengers are prevented from accidentially hittng the side of the tube as the car moves fast, or getting a body part stuck between the moving car and the tube and being horribly mangled.

So if we imagine the double door situation continues in all episodes of TO, the bridge can turn several times during an episode.

So the vertical turbolift shaft is in the nub on the rear centerline of the outer bidge domes, and the viewscreen is about (90 minus 36) or 54 degrees from the center of the turbolift door in the inner bridge wall.

The ship usually travels with the inner bridge dome viewscreen facing the foreward side of the Enterprise, and thus the inner door leading to the turbolift turned to the side and the turbolift inaccessible. So when the ship suddenly moves foreward everyone on the bridge leans back, and when the ship suddenly stops everyone on the bridge flies foreward toward the viewscreen.

But whens omeone wants to use the turbolift to enter or leave the bridge and presses the proper button on the bridge or in the turbolifet station, the bridge rotates until the bridge door to the turbolift shaft is lighted up with the opeing in the vertical turbolift tube, and when the turbolift arrives and opens its own door the door on the bridge also opens.

I note that the computers on the bridge might listen to conversations and note when someone is ordered or given permisson to leave the bridge. And the ship's computers might listen to conversations outside the doors to turbolift stops and also lsten to conversatinos inside the turbolifts, to hear who awnts to go to the bridge. In fact, I think I remember they usually state their destination aloud in the turbolift cars.

Thus the computers and the devices they control would have seconds to minutes to rotate the bridge so that the two doors aligned. Ina the shorter time frame of mre seconds people on the bridge might lean a little to right or left or feel a little dizzy if the bridge rotates fast enough to get the doors aligned in time.

But the bridge crew are Starleet officers who would have been trained and have lot of practice with such events and would not be bothered by it.

And if the inner bridge dome has its own inertial dampening field that rotates with the inner bridge dome nobody on the bridge would feel anything from such comparatively minor and easy to compensate for movements.

I like a lot of the logic here, but not the part about the computer listening to everything that gets said.

Assuming that some parts of the ship can move as evidenced in the use of pilot and series footage, but that those parts are not shown moving:

Since we often see the ship from the bottom or top, we don't know that in-universe the ship is necessarily only able to move between fully-pilot and fully-series. Perhaps in a shot from below, the Bridge is in its taller position even though we see what looks to be series version from beneath. It might be possible to determine from reviewing TOS if the taller bridge fills a certain function.

 

[publiusr]

Now if I was behind TOS-R only the Commodore’s ship from THE ULTIMATE COMPUTER would have the tall bridge to go with the tall captain’s chair. It gets the big dish and nacelle spikes…the other ships are 3 footers and AMTs…that get the worst of it.

 

[Mytran]

The second exit in TAS was not on the same side of the Bridge as Spock's station. However, since the Bridge set was built to allow individual segments to be removed (to make filming easier) and several episodes show Spock with his hand curled around the edge of the console (showing that there's a gap in-universe) some fans have postulated that there might be an additional exit to the Bridge behind one of the lesser-used consoles. Here's how that might look in the TAs configuration, with both a full wedge removed (as on the filming set) and a theoretical half wedge removed which makes for a more normal sized doorway:

Stepping back a few weeks ago to our discussion about the alleged additional exit on the starboard side of the Bridge, I made a curious discovery the other day. I was watching This Side of Paradise which as we know features that famous scene of the empty Bridge which got reused when the homage scene in Relics was made 25 years later.

The curious thing is that the Bridge configuration is of the "short rail" version, the one used whenever the wedge next to Mr Spock's station was removed to make it easier to get the cameras into position for decent shots.
It is plain to see 3 rail supports on the left of the image, 4 on the right hand rail (albeit one hidden behind the captain's chair):

There were a lot of close up shots of Spock's and Uhura's station in this episode so I imagine that is the reason this configuration was used. It's also possible that the set was left that way from the filming of the previous episode Space Seed (see clips at 10mins and 35mins) and it just happened to fit Director Ralph Senensky's needs.

But whatever the reason, the configuration was kept and so this was how it ended up in Relics.

Also in Relics we have the onscreen depiction of a doorway, roughly in the position of the missing wedge console:
https://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=138&page=9
https://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=138&page=10

That's not a holodeck doorway that Scotty and Picard enter the bridge simulation by, it's one that's look identical to the turbolift alcove (which in real life it was, because only a small portion of the Bridge set was actually built).
So, the TOS Bridge in Relics actually looks something like this:

I suppose technically speaking (since never see the doors of the secondary alcove are never shown) it might look something like this:

Or maybe a combination of the two? In any case, a secondary entrance to the TOS Bridge is not only strongly hinted at in TOS but confirmed onscreen in TNG

 

[publiusr]

That and the TAS with the doorway to the left of the viewscreen is my favorite.

 

[Mytran]

That and the TAS with the doorway to the left of the viewscreen is my favorite.

Why choose when you can have them both?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Replace ALL the consoles with turbolift alcoves. Dazzle any enemy that dares invade the bridge.

 

[Mytran]

Replace ALL the consoles with turbolift alcoves. Dazzle any enemy that dares invade the bridge.

We could certainly afford to loose a few more consoles if compared to Archer's bridge, which had 3 less

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, Archer's bridge had just three, I think. Malcolm, T'Pol and Hoshi. The only other stations were the helm console and the situation room tabletop display at the back of the bridge module.