is Stargate dead for good?

[Hartzilla2007]

Earth currently has no means to detect cloaked cargo ships.

And yet they did just that in SG-1's Family Ties.

Yes, I remember the finale arc from last year. I'm choosing to ignore it.

If anything is stupid about the storyline, it's that the Tau'ri haven't already been wiped out, as the LA could surely do it if they wanted to.

No, I don't think leather-clad cliched cartoon supervillains are capable of wiping out Earth. Cliched cartoon supervillains in fancy dress couldn't do it, neither could ones in prosthetics and long hair acting like vampires. For that matter, neither could ubervillains in robes and spewing religious rhetoric.

Besides, we know from 200 that Earth is basically safe until the year 2016, based on the ten years later scene at the ending.

Plus we I don't think anyone mentioned what happened to Atlantis yet so it could stil be there with it's drone supply which and if it went back to pegasus they could have always found a new chair I mean they know where at least one is and they could always check the databsed to find out how to reprogram one to work for the Antarctic outpost. Plus I have to call horeshit on the LA somehow altering their shields to defend against asgard weapons as the fracking snakes could only do that once only becuase anubis was half ascended and had access to ancient knowledge and the asgard pretty much had already advanced their weapons by the time the second wave was sent, and the LA doesn't have near the resources the Goa'uld becuase their a bunch of crooks and not a massive empire that ruled for 1000s of years and no amount of pretending otherswise will change anything, for god's sake the LA was getting their asses handed to them just by SG-1, if they try to attack earth they can just kiss their asses goodbye.

 

[AJ86]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

 

[bullethead]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

Asgard sensors, time travel that overwrites the timeline, etc...

 

[Skywalker]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

Asgard sensors, time travel that overwrites the timeline, etc...

Hey look, more reasons why this franchise needs a reboot!

 

[tharpdevenport]

Let's see:
SG1 = TOS / TNG
Atlantis = Voyager
Direct-to-DVD movies = earlier good seasons of DS9
SGU = Enterprise

The DVD movies were nowhere near that good. They were Insurrection level at best.

That's where I guess we don't see eye-to-eye.

Continum was just a few steps better than Insurrection, and way better than First Contact, and a masterpiece when compared to Nemesis.

And aside from the replacement cast and the fact Richard Dean Anderson ate a big fat guy, I was surprised at how good The Ark of Truth was. Better than all the TG films (except, in my opinion, Generations) and better than ST:TMP.

 

[The Wormhole]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

Even the Goa'uld had ways to detect cloaked cargo ships, so Earth with Asgard and Ancient sensors should have no trouble in that regard.

Yeah, I know, Kiva's cargo ship was somehow undetectable. This should be impossible, and thus why I choose to ignore it.

 

[AJ86]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

Even the Goa'uld had ways to detect cloaked cargo ships, so Earth with Asgard and Ancient sensors should have no trouble in that regard.

Yeah, I know, Kiva's cargo ship was somehow undetectable. This should be impossible, and thus why I choose to ignore it.

Anubis did, he was the only one I believe, and I'm not sure there are examples of the Asgard detecting cloaked ships either.

 

[The Wormhole]

People keep repeating that, yet offer to solution to the cargo ship problem. Seriously, what would stop the LA (or anyone for that matter) flying a few cloaked cargo ships to Earth full nukes and just going to town on the planet? We'd be fucked

Even the Goa'uld had ways to detect cloaked cargo ships, so Earth with Asgard and Ancient sensors should have no trouble in that regard.

Yeah, I know, Kiva's cargo ship was somehow undetectable. This should be impossible, and thus why I choose to ignore it.

Anubis did, he was the only one I believe, and I'm not sure there are examples of the Asgard detecting cloaked ships either.

Zipacna was able to in The Summit/Last Stand. Granted he was working for Anubis, but his method of detection wasn't too sophisticated (searching for heat signatures in a planet's atmosphere). I'm confident any Goa'uld could have pulled that off. And if the Goa'uld could detect a cloaked cargo ship, it seems reasonable that the Asgard with superior technology would have no trouble doing the same.

 

[AJ86]

Sounds like something you'd have to be looking for to find though, which presumably Earth wouldn't be.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Sounds like something you'd have to be looking for to find though, which presumably Earth wouldn't be.

Considering they know an attack is comming it would makes sense for them to be looking for it as this method was used against them in the past.

 

[Avon]

bring back kurt russell!!!!!!!!

 

[JarodRussell]

bring back kurt russell!!!!!!!!

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOE-xkInpXI[/yt]

 

[Avon]

call me snake.

 

[FPAlpha]

In my opinion Stargate has made one huge mistake storywise that could have changed the entire franchise.. reveal the tech to Earth at large.

You could build an entire show around this and how Earth adapts to the changes, the infighting and the teamwork between nation and what cool stuff the Stargate program has discovered.

I can't remember a TV show ever tackling this at large and it would surely open up an entire audience to the show. It would certainly be far batter than the BSG rehash they called SG:Universe.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

In my opinion Stargate has made one huge mistake storywise that could have changed the entire franchise.. reveal the tech to Earth at large.

You could build an entire show around this and how Earth adapts to the changes, the infighting and the teamwork between nation and what cool stuff the Stargate program has discovered.

I can't remember a TV show ever tackling this at large and it would surely open up an entire audience to the show. It would certainly be far batter than the BSG rehash they called SG:Universe.

Several people have mentioned this as a possibility for a series but I'm still convinced it's way too fanwanky to have any larger appeal.

 

[AJ86]

Sounds like something you'd have to be looking for to find though, which presumably Earth wouldn't be.

Considering they know an attack is comming it would makes sense for them to be looking for it as this method was used against them in the past.

It's possible I suppose, but given the lack of ships, and the amount of aircraft flying around, monitoring the entire planets atmosphere for disturbances seems a bit impractical.

 

[AJ86]

In my opinion Stargate has made one huge mistake storywise that could have changed the entire franchise.. reveal the tech to Earth at large.

You could build an entire show around this and how Earth adapts to the changes, the infighting and the teamwork between nation and what cool stuff the Stargate program has discovered.

I can't remember a TV show ever tackling this at large and it would surely open up an entire audience to the show. It would certainly be far batter than the BSG rehash they called SG:Universe.

Several people have mentioned this as a possibility for a series but I'm still convinced it's way too fanwanky to have any larger appeal.

While it would be entertaining, it would cause irreparable damage to the franchise in my opinion. Having contemporary characters is part of the charm, and makes the exploration into the human condition that much more relevant, which is something you'd lose eventually. If anything I'd like them to go the other way, make the SGC/IOA as secret and independent from government as possible, to the point that Earth is left to advance on it's own while being defended in secret.

 

[AJ86]

From Mallozzi:

I was in the office yesterday to watch the Day 1 Mix of The Hunt. Great stuff! Anyway, while there, I talked to Brad. Needless to say, he’s been working hard to ensure we all get the opportunity to work with Mark in 2011. Nothing definite as of yet to report but a minor hurdle was cleared. Quite a few hurdles still lie ahead and there’s always the chance it might all be for naught – but right now, things are looking positive.

We spent a couple of hours in the late afternoon discussing the potential game plan if all goes well – and, if all DOES go well, I can assure you that it’ll be very, VERY exciting for all.

More news as it becomes available.

Hopefully sooner than later!

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/january-12-2011-stargate-production-update/

 

[BlobVanDam]

Too cryptic for me to get my hopes up for at this point, but I hope something good comes of it.

 

[lennier1]

The Lucian Alliance attack on Earth plays out in one of two scenarios:

-They send a cloaked cargo ship loaded with naquadah and explosives to Earth. Watch the episode Family Ties to see how this gets resolved.

-Three or four Ha'taks arrive in the solar system and are obliterated by the combined fleet of Asgard upgraded BC-304s, or perhaps by ZPM enhanced Odyssey alone. This takes three minutes. Or perhaps the motherships arrive in Earth orbit before being taken out by drones launched from Antarctica. Just watch Lost City if you want to see that happen.

The Lucian Alliance planning an attack on Earth is the most tiresome thing SGU has done this season. There's no possible way it can succeed. We've more threatening attacks launched by more powerful enemies thwarted. They might as well just have a line in a 2.5 episode saying the attack on Earth has been prevented and never mention it again. I would make that suggestion even if the show weren't cancelled.

Not necessarily. Their fleet is pretty large. If they were desperate they could muster the entire thing.

Earth has superior technology and potential allies who could help if it became necessary. The Lucian Alliance would still be slaughtered. The Lucian Alliance attack on Earth is a stupid storyline which would be best left forgotten. There are other things the show could be focusing its time on.

Pretty much. A frontal assault on Earth would only end up in one of two ways:
a) Antarctica Base turns the ships into burning hulks in orbit
b) The upgraded battlecruisers play a fun round of "slice&dice 'em".

Over the years the writers have written themselves into a corner by adding a new deus ex machina every other week.