in my profession we still call taking footage or soundbites taping and i never used a damned tape in my entire career -> so fucking what?
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@mods, that might need to be moved to the profanity thread
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Is Starfleet a military organization?
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@mods, that might need to be moved to the profanity thread
the point being...? what does the latin part mean?
there is no absolute truth in fictionDoesn't make it true.
in my profession we still call taking footage or soundbites taping and i never used a damned tape in my entire career -> so fucking what?
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No problem with the swearing.
The attitude behind it could probably be dialed back just a little....
it's not really latin - what makes him solve the problem is having 6,000 heavy cavalry at handthe point being...? what does the latin part mean?
there is no absolute truth in fiction
thanks - if you have no radio you probably have no equipment to home in on a radio either
This is something I have from 1918, in telegraph-speak and typewritten. Whether it came by wire or wireless, who knows.
What point are you trying to make? That radio communication was rare in WW1, or that only the Germans did it? Signal intelligence was well developed in WW1. By 1916 the Royal Navy had a chain of radio direction finding stations that could localize and track transmissions in the North Sea and North Atlantic. It is well known that Admiral Jellicoe was not expecting the High Seas Fleet to be at sea before the battle of Jutland/Skagerrak because RDF knew that transmissions from the High Seas Fleet flagship were coming form Wilhelmshaven, but what they did not know (or wasn't widely known enough) was that the fleet commander's call sign was switched to a shore station when he put to sea. It is well known that the British had broken the German naval code and were reading most naval radio traffic by early 1915. It is well known that British were able to set a trap for the German battle cruisers at Dogger Bank because they were reading German naval radio messages, and it is well known that the Grand Fleet and the Battle Cruiser Fleet were both at sea in time for the Jutland/Skagerrak action once again because of intercepted radio intelligence.
they didn't get it to the fleet at sea. a bit like what a police spokesman told me 15 years ago: don't sent me an email, sent me a fax - the fax machine is in my office, for emails we have a specifically trained official who prints them out and hands them over to the inhouse mailman
radio communictaion between the admiralty and jellico was a mess. that would probably have been the same between the hochseflotte and high command but they didn't even try to do that. they used radios for close up communications - the royal navy used flags (as did admiral lord nelson).
radio intelligence was fine (and bad) before the home fleet put to sea - even if they could communicate with jellico he couldn't communicate with his ships other than with flags. with the then new big guns ships being farther apart -> lots of rn ships didn't get what they ought to have gotten.
jellico should have mincemeated scheer but he didn't. scheer did the comunictaion with his ships by radio (some didn't get it but most did) which was far better as nobody needs to see some dude waving with tiny flags on a ship far far away.
... and btw jellico's radio used to talk to the admiralty is a completely different machine from the one talking to the ships under his command (which most of his ships didn't have anyway)
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Straight from the Uniform Reg Manual:
"61. Signalman (SM). Two upright crossed semaphore flags. (Disestablished 30 Sep 04.)"
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Fair enough. Although my thoughts on cross-rating still apply, there's just the question whether that would have taken place before or after the disestablishing point. My feeling is the former as there could be difficulties in paying someone for work in a rating that doesn't exist anymore?
There have been a few games that have had fun with Enterprise as a homage, though
if you play Runescape long enough you might encounter Auguste, a stalwart monk determined to see his balloon Enterprise fly to new places. (both he and Picard named after the same historical figure)
the Enterprise in Final Fantasy 4 did not look this good in it's initial 16 bit form, but the intent was always there, I suppose.
I still don't know what this meant.
You are talking about flag semaphore, which was used for short distances for things like boat work and shore parties, but uncommon for fleet communications. Visual signaling was done primarily with hoists of signal flags spelling out coded messages. On a battleship these flags were 11 feet long. Relatively short signals could convey quite complex messages, defined in the code book. Action on these messages could happen very quickly with proficient signals crews, and the sender could also quickly see confirmation that the message had been received. To supplement flag hoist, mechanical semaphore or blinking searchlights gave more visual range, but were a little slower because the letters had to be spelled out in Morse. Searchlight signals were good for ship-to-ship and were used a lot that way; messages from the flagship to multiple vessels were more efficient with flag hoists.
Both fleets were using visual signaling, and both fleets were using W/T. Interestingly, radio in both battle cruiser flagships was knocked in the first action; Lion's was repaired but Lützow communicated by searchlight the rest of the battle. I agree that the HSF was very good at control by radio, and the last Gefechtskehrtwendung would probably not have been as successful if signaled visually. OTOH the Grand Fleet might not have been in a good position without catching the "Enemy battle fleet steering ESE" radio message from 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron to the Battle Cruiser Fleet.
Where are you getting this stuff? There were a limited number of wireless set types, the one in Iron Duke was the same as in any other battleship. Jellicoe was receiving from the Admiralty, but was rarely sending; the Grand Fleet steamed under radio silence until action was imminent.
By 1915 ALL Grand Fleet vessels, destroyer and up, were equipped with wireless. By 1916 ALL signals in action -- once in contact with the enemy when radio silence could be broken -- were repeated by W/T. As Jellicoe said in his memoir:
[ I ]n 1916 I could handle the Battle Fleet by wireless with as much ease and rapidity as by visual signals. At the beginning of the War ten minutes to a quarter of an hour would elapse before I could be sure that all ships had received a maneuvering wireless signal addressed to the whole Battle Fleet. In 1916 the time rarely exceeded two to three minutes. This great improvement was due to new methods introduced as well as to incessant practice in harbour.
I suspect it originates from...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086356/
or Nazi and Russian/Soviet....
"The only man on either side who could lose the war in an afternoon." -- Winston Churchill
There was a non-fiction bestseller called Dreadnought by Robert Massie around 1990 in which Admiral Jellicoe played a big part. I always suspected that was where the name came from.
Why did you do that? 
So NASA + Space Force = Star Fleet?
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