Yep. Show me the aired dialogue, or it's every fan for himself.
Is Scotty's accent actually bad?
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Yep. Show me the aired dialogue, or it's every fan for himself.
As I have said in the past: IIRC, In the story outline for “The Conscience of the King” it describes that Kirk was a teenaged cadet who happened to be on the planet when the whole Kodos thing went down. I’ll have to pull out the documents later and check the particulars.
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I thought the episode said Kirk was stationed on Tarsus IV not that his parents were stationed there. So To be consistent with Deadly Years (provided Kirk actually did know his age there) Kirk would have to be stationed on a planet between the ages of 12 and 14. and although Chekov was 17 in Abrams-verse so maybe 13 when he started at the Academy I can't see anyone being "stationed" at age 13/14 unless stationed means when you went to school and were in the "Cadets" during the school holiday break they pretend stationed you on a planet where they basically abandoned you.
Maybe 20 years ago was rounded up from 16 years ago.
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Maybe 20 years ago was rounded up from 16 years ago.
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A person might round like that. I doubt a computer would.
The aired episode never states that Kirk was "stationed" on Tarsus IV or that his parents were - his parents are never even mentioned - only that Kirk was one of the survivors of the massacre who could positively identify Kodos.
Sorry you're right. Its the novelisation that said Kirk was a midshipman. Not the episode. I could almost swear I heard Shatner say he was stationed there. Must be mixing it up with another episode.
...And this is why I miss Star Trek Script Search. You used to be able to just answer questions like these by just looking up "The Conscience of the King" and doing a quick search on if the word "stationed" ever showed up in the episode.
And I really don't get the whole "Kirk didn't even know his own age in 'The Deadly Years'!" myth that's sprung up in fandom in the last couple of years. Kirk's aging in that episode is making him forgetful, not actively senile. He's forgetting things like code numbers or orders he gave five minutes ago, things in his short term memory. He's not forgetting basic information that'd be in his long term memory, like his name, his rank, his age, or who Spock and McCoy were.
Is it so tough to believe that the writers had Kirk say that he was 34 years old in "The Deadly Years" because they actually intended for him to be 34 years old? I swear, if the show says something as unambiguous as "this object is blue", some fans just bend over backwards to explain how that really means that it was red.
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My memory of the first three volumes of the Blish novelizations -which I no longer have at hand, unfortunately - is that Blish seemed to think that Kirk was several years older than the "about 34" of the Writer's Guide and Roddenberry's other pitch documents. My memory (which could be inaccurate at this late stage) of "Charlie's Law" was that Blish thought that Kirk had been in the service for twenty years and was 40-ish.
Well I just looked up Chakotay.net now because Donald G called me out and checked Kirk didn't say it because I thought I was right. I was too lazy to check before posting or otherwise I wouldn't have posted. My bad.
Yes. ST Script Search used the Chakoteya transcripts to allow you to search for a specific word or phrase to pinpoint a reference. So if you were wondering, say, which DS9 episode it was where Sisko said "Beets are a very misunderstood vegetable", you could find it in seconds. The Script Search went away in 2020 and it's no longer available, not even on the Wayback Machine. Now, you have to either visually search through a script at Chakoteya or try to use Google to search for it. Neither is as convenient.
We discussed the ST Script Search tool here.
OK I never knew about it and now its gone 
I just manually searched each episode on Chakotay.net
I've just done a python programming course. Maybe I could write a new search program well maybe...But I'm sure someone else here probably could.
I just manually searched each episode on Chakotay.net
I've just done a python programming course. Maybe I could write a new search program well maybe...But I'm sure someone else here probably could.
Yeah, that sucks. You can still do some limited searches on the site like this (link).
I use Googles site search. Limited but sometimes works.
Your memory is not inaccurate! Indeed in "Charlie's Law" (Star Trek 1) we have on page 1 describing Kirk: "...in well more than twenty years in space...".
In the rest of that story I don't see a reference to Kirk's actual age. Might be in another story.
You might already know this, but in cases where you know which episode to search on Chakoteya, your browser can do it. In Firefox, go to Edit, and then "Find in Page." In the Edge browser, click the "three dots" menu, and then "Find on page." Then put your keyword in the search box.
It's what I generally use. Fast, easy.
The Star Trek Transcripts - The Conscience of the King (chakoteya.net)
I'm generally good with knowing what episode something was in for TOS, but with TNG, DS9, and VOY, it can be a crapshoot. But thanks for the tip!
And Jupiter was replaced with the Thor…and I have had it in for the USAF ever since
So it is a Scottish burr, not the Irish brogue, right?
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