Is science fiction better today?
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Better than when? 80s? 50s? Or the time of Jules Verne and H.G.Wells?
I definitely don't see much new stories, plots or whatever lately on TV or movies, most of what comes now are the retellings of the older stuff (reboots, remakes and such). As to books - I don't read much sci-fi lately, but Dan Simmons seems to try writing something truly epic, both with great result (Hyperion Cantos) and just plain weird result (Ilium/Olympos - I lost interst in it somewhere in the first 1/3 of Olympos because it got too weird and incomperehsible).
I too don't think that sci-fi today isn't really better or worse but movies today have to try to rely more on the stories and less on SFX. It is possible to make a great sci-fi movie without or with nesessary minimun of effects ...
I definitely don't see much new stories, plots or whatever lately on TV or movies, most of what comes now are the retellings of the older stuff (reboots, remakes and such). As to books - I don't read much sci-fi lately, but Dan Simmons seems to try writing something truly epic, both with great result (Hyperion Cantos) and just plain weird result (Ilium/Olympos - I lost interst in it somewhere in the first 1/3 of Olympos because it got too weird and incomperehsible).
I too don't think that sci-fi today isn't really better or worse but movies today have to try to rely more on the stories and less on SFX. It is possible to make a great sci-fi movie without or with nesessary minimun of effects ...
I said yes, mostly because in 2009 we have a lot of good, polished looking Sci-Fi on the way like Moon, District 9 and The Road.
No. The primary source of scifi is the written word-and the sections devoted to it in commercial bookstores are an intellectual wasteland. Hack authors like Kevin j Anderson and R A Salvatore take up a huge percentage of the available space, derivative series based on video games and tv/movie franchises eat up more and what little is left is overwhelmed by knock-off stories about vampires and magic written by fools who wouldn't know the difference between delta vee and a ballistic trajectory. I mourn that Harry Turtledove is considered the foremost author in alternative history-yet his recent work quotes lines from earlier bodies due to a lack of imagination. Everytime one of the great older authors dies I weep-as much because no replacement looms on the horizon as for the passing of an established talent. Scifi on tv/film may finally be growing up-but the source material grows feeble from a lack of talent.
That's a good point. Many sci-fi concepts don't need the big budget. At the same time, certain types of ambitious stories can now be brought to the screen as the creators visualize without compromising due to limited effects. So I'd say the sci-fi in films, at least, is better.
Particularly when so much near future stuff is being done.
I think there's a tendency to forget a lot of the B-grade stuff we had in years past and remember the good stuff we liked. That siad I don't think the new materiel is any smarter today, it's just slicker looking. But even if it's slicker looking I find little of it as imaginative as what came before.
It also seems that presently and for the last while most of what we get is remakes.
Far future SF on TV and film seems pretty much dead presently until/if the next thing comes along to give it a kick in the pants.
Agreed.
Much I believe depends on how one perceives it.
I thought the remake of King Kong was good because it didn't try to get by on f/x alone. Indeed it brought emotional elements to us that are totally absent in the original.
On the flip side the remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still was garbage. Slicker? Sure. But it was devoid of charm and humour and intelligence. It was just plain bad.
I can appreciate visual spectacle as much as anyone (assuming it appeals to my aesthetic tastes) but there has to be something more than that for me to get into the film or tv show.
Better than when? Visual or Literature???
In terms of books, which I don't read as much these days, 1980s-2005 era SF is perhaps less innovative than 1960s era SF, but more polished, more in depth, more satisfying as pure literature. Even hard SF has some really good writers that are probably comparable with the former classic "masters".
In terms of SF at the movies, there was a brief flirtation in the 50s and then again in the 70s with some non-blockbuster, smaller movies that used real SF themes and ideas. Unfortunately, the execution was often lacking. Star Wars basically changed that. It did prove a blockbuster can be good if you put some thought into it. Today, since the mid 80s, and especially since 1993's Jurassic Park, SF movies are capable of creating worlds that seem real, populate them with some real people. Even bad SF movies today can have a wonderful backdrop because they can create whole self-consistent environments to exist in.
To sum up though, I looked up my top SF movie list and if I look at the top 5-6 of every decade, do the newer movies hold up?? You bet ya.
RAMA
In terms of books, which I don't read as much these days, 1980s-2005 era SF is perhaps less innovative than 1960s era SF, but more polished, more in depth, more satisfying as pure literature. Even hard SF has some really good writers that are probably comparable with the former classic "masters".
In terms of SF at the movies, there was a brief flirtation in the 50s and then again in the 70s with some non-blockbuster, smaller movies that used real SF themes and ideas. Unfortunately, the execution was often lacking. Star Wars basically changed that. It did prove a blockbuster can be good if you put some thought into it. Today, since the mid 80s, and especially since 1993's Jurassic Park, SF movies are capable of creating worlds that seem real, populate them with some real people. Even bad SF movies today can have a wonderful backdrop because they can create whole self-consistent environments to exist in.
To sum up though, I looked up my top SF movie list and if I look at the top 5-6 of every decade, do the newer movies hold up?? You bet ya.
RAMA
My gut reaction was, "I don't think so." Though, TV shows like Battlestar Galactica and Lost certainly indicate otherwise.
As another poster previous stated, there have always been great productions and shitty productions. That continues to be the case, I suppose.
I definitely think that literary science fiction was better in the good old days.
As another poster previous stated, there have always been great productions and shitty productions. That continues to be the case, I suppose.
I definitely think that literary science fiction was better in the good old days.
About the same as ever, I'd say. One thing we've got is volume. Summer blockbusters are overrun by sci fi. Plus sci fi seems to be a durable staple of TV because of the increasing importance of the cult fan following for anything but the most mass-market shows.
Volume means that for every Star Trek, we get a Terminator: Salvation and Wolverine misfire. On TV, there are a couple shows worth watching and a whole lot of junk. The fall season looks like a tsunami of crap, with one or two possibilities in the muck. But that's better than getting nothing at all.
Volume means that for every Star Trek, we get a Terminator: Salvation and Wolverine misfire. On TV, there are a couple shows worth watching and a whole lot of junk. The fall season looks like a tsunami of crap, with one or two possibilities in the muck. But that's better than getting nothing at all.
Yeah, the vast majority of everything is crap. We remember the old days as being better, because we remember the good stuff from the old days.
In 40 years, noone will remember the piles of shit of the 2000s. (I hope).
In 40 years, noone will remember the piles of shit of the 2000s. (I hope).
Yes, I think it is and hopefully it will evolve into better and better things as time goes on.
Science fiction in what medium? I think science fiction cinema has become about as dumb as it can get, but every so often we get something like Dark City and Primer or (hopefully) Moon and District 9 this year. On television, science fiction has been mostly reduced to trashy entertainment like Stargate, etc, but we've also gotten Battlestar Galactica in this decade. I can't comment on literary science fiction. I mostly read the classics, when I have the time for fiction.
From what I've read, it's mostly plateuaed out. The quality on some stuff is pretty good, it's polished, it's thought-out - but lacking in ideas and inspiration. Rarely do I find myself greatly intrigued by recent lit s/f.
I think a lot depends on what you expect. I don't think good science fiction has to be diamond hard SF, but it should have at least some sense of credibility (within its own worldbuilding context) along with a story worth telling and told in an effective manner.
I can excuse certain films and TV shows depending on what they appear to be trying to achieve. Star Wars gets a lot of leeway because it isn't trying to be anything serious. Independence Day worked as a comedy of sorts, but when they initially tried to pass it off as dramatic it came off as shit. Something like Wall-E gets leeway because, again, it's a fun movie--a good thing, too, because there's lots in there that doesn't make sense. I'm looking forward to District 9 and hope it's something decent.
Trek XI works and gets leeway if you perceive it like Star Wars. But it suffers if you compare it to what came before because it fails to achieve that adventure/drama balance that many people remember TOS for.
I like I, Robot and Bicentennial Man better now than when I first saw them. No, they're not the books (or stories) but I felt they were decent in their own right.
I can excuse certain films and TV shows depending on what they appear to be trying to achieve. Star Wars gets a lot of leeway because it isn't trying to be anything serious. Independence Day worked as a comedy of sorts, but when they initially tried to pass it off as dramatic it came off as shit. Something like Wall-E gets leeway because, again, it's a fun movie--a good thing, too, because there's lots in there that doesn't make sense. I'm looking forward to District 9 and hope it's something decent.
Trek XI works and gets leeway if you perceive it like Star Wars. But it suffers if you compare it to what came before because it fails to achieve that adventure/drama balance that many people remember TOS for.
I like I, Robot and Bicentennial Man better now than when I first saw them. No, they're not the books (or stories) but I felt they were decent in their own right.
Apparently it doesn't suffer, according to most. Not to me. I thought it struck that balance just fine.
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