Is Living Vitness canon or miror universe?
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This episode is more a commentary on the inaccuracies of "historical fact." Not a mirror universe episode.
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No.
The EMH seen in 'Living Witness' was a back up module copy (which was introduced in this episode after several where the crew was worried about loosin' the Doctor because he didn't have a back up). The main story in the episode is set hundreds of years after Voyager passed through the star system, and the end of the episode sayin' that the Doctor left their planet to return to Earth was set hundreds of years after that.
'Endgame' was set about thirty years after the ship got lost in the first place.
No.
The EMH seen in 'Living Witness' was a back up module copy (which was introduced in this episode after several where the crew was worried about loosin' the Doctor because he didn't have a back up). The main story in the episode is set hundreds of years after Voyager passed through the star system, and the end of the episode sayin' that the Doctor left their planet to return to Earth was set hundreds of years after that.
'Endgame' was set about thirty years after the ship got lost in the first place.
It was supposed to be the future, not some random alternate.
But the timeline's been messed with so much... is "Endgame" the timeline where Janeway 'always knew' Kes was gonna go senile and attack the ship in "Fury"? Or where she met incognito Seven in spacedock before Voyager even launched?
No, no yevetha, you're onto something here.
What if the aliens were right and the Doctor was lying through his teeth the whole time because IT WAS A MIRROR UNIVERSE STORY!!!!!
What if the aliens were right and the Doctor was lying through his teeth the whole time because IT WAS A MIRROR UNIVERSE STORY!!!!!
How many Mirror Universes do you think there are?
Just one?
Surely not just one?
After all, they called their crossover widget a multidimensional transporter device, not a bidimensional (dualdimensional?)transporter device... Even the actual Mirror Universe where Kirk Crossed Over had probably fractured in an infinite directions an infinite amount of times by the 24th centuries, if that is mirror universes are anything like the all the Quantum Realities we we saw bleeding out of that Fissure in TNG Parallels.
There's a novel about evil Picard on an evil Enterprise going about doing evil... 2 actually. There's Dark Mirror which is all about the crew of the Enterprise D being assholes, and then there's Peter David's Q Squared, where several Universes jump track and crash into one another including the ISS Enterprise D who has the fortunate relief that it's first officer not a monkey this once, but a lout named Jack Crusher... Although Picard tries to kill him to bed Beverly near the end.
Just one?
Surely not just one?
After all, they called their crossover widget a multidimensional transporter device, not a bidimensional (dualdimensional?)transporter device... Even the actual Mirror Universe where Kirk Crossed Over had probably fractured in an infinite directions an infinite amount of times by the 24th centuries, if that is mirror universes are anything like the all the Quantum Realities we we saw bleeding out of that Fissure in TNG Parallels.
There's a novel about evil Picard on an evil Enterprise going about doing evil... 2 actually. There's Dark Mirror which is all about the crew of the Enterprise D being assholes, and then there's Peter David's Q Squared, where several Universes jump track and crash into one another including the ISS Enterprise D who has the fortunate relief that it's first officer not a monkey this once, but a lout named Jack Crusher... Although Picard tries to kill him to bed Beverly near the end.
Let me just put it this way. We know that Living "Vitness" doesn't take place in the mirror universe because people aren't getting half naked and having sex all the time.
I really can't stand that about all the mirror universe episodes. They are like a poor excuse to add in nearly pornographic scenes. It would be hilarious if it didn't mean there were lame mirror universe episodes scattered throughout the Star Trek series...
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I really can't stand that about all the mirror universe episodes. They are like a poor excuse to add in nearly pornographic scenes. It would be hilarious if it didn't mean there were lame mirror universe episodes scattered throughout the Star Trek series...
>_<
For the Star Trek franchise, there's just one "Mirror Universe" and its been seen in episodes of TOS, DS9 & ENT.
But there are also multiple realities, as seen in TNG 'Parallels'.
I love it!
"Living Witness" was a very important episode, in that it proved the EMH Doctor could be backed up and stored for safe keeping. This was something that bugged me in all of those episodes where the doctor was in danger of being "lost". It is rather puzzling that they didn't think of making a backup much earlier. Especially once the doctor got his mobile emitter. Actually, when you think about it, the mobile emitter is a backup as well. The doctor is fully loaded into it and walks anywhere he pleases. When he returns to the ship, he transfers himself back into the ship's computer system. In essence, he could be kept in both places, just overwriting himself with the latest version each time.
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The way the showed the mobile emitter, it was either one or the other - he couldn't use both the ship's holographic emitters AND the emitter, nor could he be in two places at once.
Seriously, my biggest problem with 'Living Witness' is that just a few episodes before it, we had 'Message in a Bottle', where the subplot was Tom & Harry tryin' to make a new EMH, and failin' miserably after one attempt & both givin' up on it.
The sixth season had 'Virtuoso', which also had the crew in danger of loosin' the Doctor, and Janeway tried to use that idea to guilt him into stayin'.
And the seventh season has the Doctor bein' stolen from the ship in 'Critical Care'.
Now, I don't remember when the flashbacks for 'Living Witness' are supposed to happen, obviously some time after the fourth season, since Seven of Nine was part of the story & not Kes.
The first season episode 'Eye of the Needle' showed that if the crew left the ship, the Doctor would not be goin' with him because he couldn't leave the ship!!!
The third season had a subplot in 'The Swarm' where too much activity outside of sickbay had a negative effect on the Doctor. The only sort of technical support there was the diagnostic program in the holodeck (Robert Picardo in the role of Zimmerman). If he had a back up module then, why not just reboot the Doctor with that? Instead, they used the diagnostic program to help the EMH, thus loosin' the diagnostic!
And of course the Doctor was stolen from the ship the first time in 'Future's End, Part One'.
'Living Witness' is all about this thing that wasn't used before or mentioned as a loss after, and for that, it sucks.
The way the showed the mobile emitter, it was either one or the other - he couldn't use both the ship's holographic emitters AND the emitter, nor could he be in two places at once.
Seriously, my biggest problem with 'Living Witness' is that just a few episodes before it, we had 'Message in a Bottle', where the subplot was Tom & Harry tryin' to make a new EMH, and failin' miserably after one attempt & both givin' up on it.
The sixth season had 'Virtuoso', which also had the crew in danger of loosin' the Doctor, and Janeway tried to use that idea to guilt him into stayin'.
And the seventh season has the Doctor bein' stolen from the ship in 'Critical Care'.
Now, I don't remember when the flashbacks for 'Living Witness' are supposed to happen, obviously some time after the fourth season, since Seven of Nine was part of the story & not Kes.
The first season episode 'Eye of the Needle' showed that if the crew left the ship, the Doctor would not be goin' with him because he couldn't leave the ship!!!
The third season had a subplot in 'The Swarm' where too much activity outside of sickbay had a negative effect on the Doctor. The only sort of technical support there was the diagnostic program in the holodeck (Robert Picardo in the role of Zimmerman). If he had a back up module then, why not just reboot the Doctor with that? Instead, they used the diagnostic program to help the EMH, thus loosin' the diagnostic!
And of course the Doctor was stolen from the ship the first time in 'Future's End, Part One'.
'Living Witness' is all about this thing that wasn't used before or mentioned as a loss after, and for that, it sucks.
That subplot didn't concern problems with the EMH due to time outside sickbay, but rather from being in almost constant operation for as long as it had been by that point. The EMH was only designed to be used for a maximum of 1600 hours before its program would begin degrading; naturally, that time period had been far exceeded by the time "The Swarm" took place. The problem was systemic, so a back-up wouldn't have fixed anything; part of the problem included his memory capacity exceeding what the program had been designed for, which was why the holomatrix of the diagnostic program was added to the EMH's matrix - to boost the memory capacity.
The Doctor's holodeck activity & musical interests were brought up by the diagnostic program.
On the bright side, the addition of that program's matrix to the Doctor's allowed for a penis (as referenced in 'Message in a Bottle').
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