Is kirks womanizing incredibly unproffessional?

[Navaros]

I think of that mediocre Achilles-Brad Pitt movie when I pose this question. We saw the implications of such tomfoolery there.

I don't think the comparison made in the quoted text is adequate.

Kirk's womanizing did not result in any stupid things happening, because Kirk would not be so stupid as Achilles et al. are in the movie you are talking about. Kirk would not let his womanizing get out of hand to the degree where it could screw things up.

 

[Zameaze]

Males value truth, whereas females value sensitivity.

Females value commitment, males value individuality;

females value feelings, males value facts;

females value safety, males value fun.

Sure you can find exceptions (especially in our feminized society) but they only prove the rule.

Male and female behavior are bell curves. Yes, their respective averages are a little different, but there's a ton of overlap.

Goes without saying. This is true of all generalizations.

 

[Jeri]

Does not go without saying, regarding "gross overgeneralizations," which you edited out.

Both genders value all the characteristics, which are not opposites.

Well, whadya know -- I'm a girl -- and a guy!

And there's no shame in that.

The world is populated by people of both genders who value all the characteristics.

 

[scotpens]

As was noted in Whitfield's “The Making of Star Trek”, Kirk is in both a figurative and literal sense “married” to his ship..

Literal? Was it a religious or a civil ceremony?

 

[Zameaze]

The world is populated by people of both genders who value all the characteristics.

OK, then, since you disagree that men and women have different values, we have to conclude that feminists are wrong to blame just men for anything, since women share the very same values.

 

[Christopher]

^It's not a simplistic all-or-nothing matter, either they have exactly the same values or completely opposing values. Reality is not that black-and-white. The truth lies in the middle ground, the shades of grey. Men and women are not identical, nor are they opposites. They are variations on a theme. They have differences that are matters of degree, of proportion, of tendency rather than inevitability.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Since when there are "male values" and "female values"? I don't seem to remember that morality was depending on gender...

Since when does "values" mean the same thing as "morals"?

 

[Zameaze]

Men and women are not identical, nor are they opposites.

Then if "men and women are not identical," we can make valid generalizations as to their differences.

 

[Christopher]

^And we can also make invalid and grossly oversimplified generalizations, which is what you did.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Males value truth, whereas females value sensitivity.

Females value commitment, males value individuality;

females value feelings, males value facts;

females value safety, males value fun.

Sure you can find exceptions (especially in our feminized society) but they only prove the rule.

Wolves have howled at the moon for centuries, yet it is still there.

I call that horseshit. Which I guess is refreshingly masculine for my feminized worldview.

OK, then, since you disagree that men and women have different values, we have to conclude that feminists are wrong to blame just men for anything, since women share the very same values.

Ah, bitter. What a surprise.

Since when does "values" mean the same thing as "morals"?

Since we started talking about moral values (sincerity, sensitivity, commitment, individuality, etc).

 

[Zameaze]

^And we can also make invalid and grossly oversimplified generalizations, which is what you did.

Well, that certainly was non-responsive. I guess I could answer back "and you just made an invalid and grossly oversimplified generalizations," but that's beginning to get a little old.

None of us would argue the fact that men and women are physically different. Our bodies and brains are different. Our hormones, which directly influence our behaviors and attitudes, are different. Yet in our feminized society where facts don't count, it's argued that there are no psychological differences.

 

[Zameaze]

Males value truth, whereas females value sensitivity.

Females value commitment, males value individuality;

females value feelings, males value facts;

females value safety, males value fun.

Sure you can find exceptions (especially in our feminized society) but they only prove the rule.

Wolves have howled at the moon for centuries, yet it is still there.

I call that horseshit. Which I guess is refreshingly masculine for my feminized worldview.

Not at all masculine. Just the opposite--not a fact in sight.

OK, then, since you disagree that men and women have different values, we have to conclude that feminists are wrong to blame just men for anything, since women share the very same values.

Ah, bitter. What a surprise.

Any bitterness that you see is simply in your own mind.

 

[Kelso]

Damn. I had a moderately witty comment all ready to post in this thread, but reading Zameaze's idiotic ramblings made me forget what it was.

 

[T'Bonz]

OK, let's not cross over into getting personal. It's a holiday weekend and I don't feel like firing up the warning page.

 

[Chrisisall]

OK, let's not cross over into getting personal. It's a holiday weekend and I don't feel like firing up the warning page.

I got a couple of warnings here, I have a tendency to be a jerk at times.
Wait... can I make a personal attack upon myself? Is that okay?

 

[T'Bonz]

As long as I don't have to do work, I'm cool with you insulting yourself.

 

[Chrisisall]

As long as I don't have to do work, I'm cool with you insulting yourself.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The male lead of a television show occasionally had romantic liaisons with females. Gasp, womanizer!

He never engaged in a relationship of any sort with a crew member (while not under the influence of the Dagger of the Mind, of course), so he was professional. In fact, he buried his attraction for Janice Rand in two episodes (The Naked Time and Miri) due to his sense of duty.

There's really no evidence for any sort of unprofessional liaisons in James T. Kirk. And, guess what? Naval captains in the real world are allowed to have romantic relationships with civilians that aren't crew members. Shocker!

And this will blow your mind: Spock and McCoy also had flings with non-crewmembers in the show. Gasp!

Wanna see unprofessional liaisons in Star Trek? Watch Spock suck face with Uhura in ST09

Spock and Uhura flirted in Charlie X, McCoy flirted with Kirk's Yoman from Shore Leave, Chekov was apparently dating the yoman in The Apple, Scotty was flirting with the A&A officer in Who Mourns for Adonais, Chapel clearly had the hots for Spock, and Kirk officiated (or at least tried to) a wedding between two of his officers who worked in the same place on the ship in Balance of Terror, so Starfleet doesn't frown on officers assigned to the same ship having a romance.

Gotta say I agree with Timo here. Kirk's womanizing has been hugely exaggerated, and he never fraternized with a crew member. Unless you count Uhura, but he wasn't in control of himself at the time.

Actually the appearance of some of Kirk's ex-girlfriends and McCoy's line to Shaw in Courtmartial indicate that Kirk was a swinger in his younger days and he probably just grew out of it.

 

[scotpens]

^ That notion is supported by Carol Marcus' line in TWOK:

“Listen, kiddo, Jim Kirk was many things, but he was NEVER a Boy Scout!”

 

[sevenstars]

Kirk came into being at a time when "professional" was not such a high profile concept, not the buzzword it is today. All things considered, I think Kirk conducted himself pretty well in that department.

His attitude towards women in general could use some work.