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Is it worth watching Disc?

I have a greater appreciation and fondness for season 5 having re-watched it recently. Mol, L'ak and the Breen interest me more now. There's so much in each episode I don't remember having noticed the first time I watched it. I suspect DSC will have a steadfast following in the years to come.
 
I'm trying to give the show another go. I gave up near the end of 2nd series. Been told it I may like it with the change in setting in the 3rd series.
At this point I feel I'm just watching it as I'm a Star Trek fan in general and believe all the shows have merits and critics.. Still don't really know how I feel about this show. I dislike the majority of the characters apart from maybe Tilly. Really didn't enjoy the Klingons, mirror universe, the look of the sets and uniforms. And I hated Micheal Burnham as a character, and the whole Spock's sister thing.
 
I've been reluctant to watch Discovery since... well, since I was made aware of its existence. I've heard some pretty bad things about it, but I've also heard people only hate it because it's new. I've recently been considering giving it a try, though. Is it actually any good/worth watching?
Watch the first two seasons, since it is an ongoing story before a massive creative redirection starting with season three.

Give it a try. If it's not your jam, that's okay. Rememeber that the pilot is essentially three parts: a two-part prequel before we even see Discovery.
 
Just got through series 3. Bit of improvement. Did kinda like the voyager vibe of being cut off from the federation however they found the federation a bit too quickly imo. Series 4 has been a bit of a bore so far tbh
 
Just got through series 3. Bit of improvement. Did kinda like the voyager vibe of being cut off from the federation however they found the federation a bit too quickly imo. Series 4 has been a bit of a bore so far tbh
I got more "Andromeda"-Vibes from it. And yeah, season 4 is ... okay. Nothing to write home about, though. It's your typical Sci-Fi-Kost, although it had some cool moments in it.
 
People need to make their own decision on whether they want to watch "Discovery" or not. I've seen plenty of movies and TV shows in which others were either not interested or didn't like. And I've ignored others that many did like. It's about how truly interested you are.
 
I got more "Andromeda"-Vibes from it. And yeah, season 4 is ... okay. Nothing to write home about, though. It's your typical Sci-Fi-Kost, although it had some cool moments in it.
I actually liked the story of season 4 more than season 3. I really thought the aliens were amazing. It was very hard sf.

The end of season 3, with the burn being caused by a kid kelpian, well, that was a big let down.
 
I actually liked the story of season 4 more than season 3. I really thought the aliens were amazing. It was very hard sf.

The end of season 3, with the burn being caused by a kid kelpian, well, that was a big let down.
I agree. I like very alien-looking aliens.
 
I agree. I like very alien-looking aliens.
Yeah, I've read A LOT of hard sf. not as much now since these twins showed up and I got a commute and the like, but I finished a couple more books recently (Charles Sheffield's Cold as Ice, and Man-Kzin Wars I).
I might not connect well with Discovery's characters and I definitely don't like them as much as the characters of TOS (Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty are my heroes), TNG, and DS9 or even VOY (Janeway, Seven, the Doctor, Tuvok, Paris, and Torres, the rest I could care less about), but the stories were always interesting. You can kind of see how, as sfx and production goes up with each iteration of the ST franchise, the range of possible stories has increased. For TOS, they just didn't have the money or the sfx technology to do what TNG, and now Discovery, can do today, so, like Nick Meyer did with ST II's budget, they made their weaknesses strengths by leaning into the characters and the drama and conflict between them. So I like that about Discovery, that they've had this serialization and a broader, more hard sf take.

Disco is never ever going to be my favorite, mainly due to the characters and some of the takes on the Star Trek canon (eg the Klingons having the cloaking device, the incorporation of the Mirror Universe from TOS, and, somewhat, Michael Burnham being Spock's foster sister), but I really liked how fresh it was after Berman and Braga repeated the TNG formula with Voyager and Enterprise, how it had serialized storytelling, how it had great action, how the science was good, and it's production.
 
"I'm trying to give the show another go. I gave up near the end of 2nd series. Been told it I may like it with the change in setting in the 3rd series."


I had given up on the series by early Season Three. My sister and I are among those who disliked the change in setting during that series. Recently, we have started a rewatch Season One and are now, enjoying it and lamenting over the Season Three setting and narrative changes.
 
I didn't watch it for a long time. When I finally decided to give it a try, I watched the season 2 finale highlights and started with season 3. I thought it was just okay.

Later, I went back and watched some of the second season out of curiosity but I didn't care for it and didnt finish. I guess I'm part of the camp that thinks it would have been better off just being a show set in the (or a) far future.
 
Well to put it simply nothing fits anynore. Anyone unfamilar with star trek watching STD , SNW and TOS chronologically from stardate or in story earth year would not see them flow as a natural story or even seem in the same decade. It was poorly done.
Appreciate I'm 2 months late to this message but jumping back into the thread I saw it and it struck a chord with me.

When you say nothing fits - I do understand the visual argument for things not fitting (although I disagree for my personal enjoyment I know it matters more to others) but in terms of tone and the perceived change in behaviours, Federation politics/approach, and even the interspecies relationships I think what has gone on in the real world in just the last 10 years supports such wide ranging changes between, say, the start of Disco through to TOS

I'm not making this a politics thread nor commenting on rights or wrongs as I know that is a TNZ topic but if you had told me in 2015 that the UK would have left the EU for example (essentially isolationism and substantially changing long standing, almost considered to be fixed in stone, relations with the EU) and then due to subsequent changes over that period potentially looking to move back closer I'd have thought it was a different universe.

We've seen across Europe and the US huge and more importantly in the case rapid changes that many would say are unrecognisable from 10 years previous (using 10 years as my marker as you said "even seem in the same decade" so feels a good metric).

You can include the Coronavirus pandemic and the impact of that as an unpredicted event that brought massive change across the world as a good example of near overnight change occurring which just shows how easily it can happen.

Disco starts us off with a flashpoint event that forces the Federation into an aggressive stance due to the outbreak of war - something no one saw coming and which was quickly followed by the Control crisis - fair to say that Control and the impact of it going rogue demonstrated that, in the words of everyone's favourite sweary admiral, the Federation is showing some "fucking hubris" and is chastened by it.

This leads into SNW which starts to show Pike and the crew starting the journey towards a more humble and more exploration focussed Federation that is trying to bring itself back from the darkness (they even set that up in Disco S2 where they say they basically kept the Ent out of the war as Pike and his crew where meant to be the ideal of the Federation and what we as fans hold dear so that even if the worst happened there was someone to rebuild - to paraphrase that other franchise "We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll rebuild the Federation"

We reach TOS and we see a Federation near purely focussed on exploration and discovery - yes there are incongruities of course but something that stands out for me is Kirk's "We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it! We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes knowing that we're not going to kill today." and the theme of The Enemy Within which shows Kirk needs both sides of himself to be who he is.

If that isn't the product of the last 10 years and shows how the TOS era has learned lessons from what has happened there then I don't know what is.

Until the day the sun finally flames out the arguments over the size of the Fed fleet, knowledge of the Gorn, and the size of the Ent and it's damn windows will continue but looking in a more general sense thematically I feel they actually work well as a development arc

Obviously all opinion and so on but just my two cents
 
Appreciate I'm 2 months late to this message but jumping back into the thread I saw it and it struck a chord with me.

When you say nothing fits - I do understand the visual argument for things not fitting (although I disagree for my personal enjoyment I know it matters more to others) but in terms of tone and the perceived change in behaviours, Federation politics/approach, and even the interspecies relationships I think what has gone on in the real world in just the last 10 years supports such wide ranging changes between, say, the start of Disco through to TOS

I'm not making this a politics thread nor commenting on rights or wrongs as I know that is a TNZ topic but if you had told me in 2015 that the UK would have left the EU for example (essentially isolationism and substantially changing long standing, almost considered to be fixed in stone, relations with the EU) and then due to subsequent changes over that period potentially looking to move back closer I'd have thought it was a different universe.

We've seen across Europe and the US huge and more importantly in the case rapid changes that many would say are unrecognisable from 10 years previous (using 10 years as my marker as you said "even seem in the same decade" so feels a good metric).

You can include the Coronavirus pandemic and the impact of that as an unpredicted event that brought massive change across the world as a good example of near overnight change occurring which just shows how easily it can happen.

Disco starts us off with a flashpoint event that forces the Federation into an aggressive stance due to the outbreak of war - something no one saw coming and which was quickly followed by the Control crisis - fair to say that Control and the impact of it going rogue demonstrated that, in the words of everyone's favourite sweary admiral, the Federation is showing some "fucking hubris" and is chastened by it.

This leads into SNW which starts to show Pike and the crew starting the journey towards a more humble and more exploration focussed Federation that is trying to bring itself back from the darkness (they even set that up in Disco S2 where they say they basically kept the Ent out of the war as Pike and his crew where meant to be the ideal of the Federation and what we as fans hold dear so that even if the worst happened there was someone to rebuild - to paraphrase that other franchise "We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll rebuild the Federation"

We reach TOS and we see a Federation near purely focussed on exploration and discovery - yes there are incongruities of course but something that stands out for me is Kirk's "We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it! We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes knowing that we're not going to kill today." and the theme of The Enemy Within which shows Kirk needs both sides of himself to be who he is.

If that isn't the product of the last 10 years and shows how the TOS era has learned lessons from what has happened there then I don't know what is.

Until the day the sun finally flames out the arguments over the size of the Fed fleet, knowledge of the Gorn, and the size of the Ent and it's damn windows will continue but looking in a more general sense thematically I feel they actually work well as a development arc

Obviously all opinion and so on but just my two cents

You make some very good points here. Pike and the enterprise were the best of starfleet and the federation so they kept them away for that when we first see Pike his goodness is immediately noticrd by the discovery crew and effects them later. They were seeing the best starfleet had to offer. We see something similar when Pike and MBenga have their discussion after MBenga kills the Klingon ambassador. Mbenga tries to maneuver around Pike and even kind of insults Pike because he didnt participate in the war so he wouldnt understand. Pike clearly wasnt buying that and knew MBenga was hiding something but couldnt prove it. Pike in that scene had more faith in starfleet and the federation than Mbenga. I truly hope they keep pike that way and don't drag his character through the mud like a lot of modern writers do. It would be nice to have a strong moral captain that even when broken won't lose his morality.
 
I had given up on the series by early Season Three. My sister and I are among those who disliked the change in setting during that series. Recently, we have started a rewatch Season One and are now, enjoying it and lamenting over the Season Three setting and narrative changes.
I get it. Season 3 was definitely a soft reboot (or maybe a hard reboot) of the show. I guess, at some point, after being called out so much on canon violations in season 1 that maybe a plan was hatched to have season 2's story end with Discovery propelled 900 years in the future, leaving a blank slate for stories.

I don't think that was the intention for the show originally, but that's the direction they went in.

To be fair, this kind of thing does happen with other shows, but it's usually after the show has been around for several years, not just 20 or so episodes as was the case with Discovery.
 
"You make some very good points here. Pike and the enterprise were the best of starfleet and the federation so they kept them away for that when we first see Pike his goodness is immediately noticrd by the discovery crew and effects them later. They were seeing the best starfleet had to offer"


No wonder I had detested Pike in "Discovery" and "Strange New Worlds". And still do. How boring.
 
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