Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[TRON JA307020]

Andor bored me to tears.

Wars has nothing on the level of Inner Light, or Measure of a Man, for me

While I love star wars my first love was and is star trek. Like most everyone it started with tos. Minimal sets and effects but they wete put to great effect and of course the writing. Fantastic even today. But star wars has grest memories for me as well especially TESB. My favorite of all the movies. There was that perfect time where the 2nd and 3rd star wars movies and the 2nd and 3rd Star Trek movies were out at roughly the same period of the 80s. Truly a wonderful time for both franchises. I really love them both.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Personally yeah I think it needs to rest for awhile.

 

[Tim Walker]

War and espionage simply don’t interest me in the way exploration and weird shit do. Star Trek to me should much more be The Twilight Zone/The Outer Limits than The West Wing/China Beach.

With episodes inspired by The X-Files, Kolchak:The Night Stalker, Fringe, Project U.F.O...Johnny Quest....

 

[Whizkid]

Put Star Trek to rest?! Nah.

Look at what Star Trek has achieved just by being there.

1. Babylon 5.
2. Battlestar Galactica (the old and the new).
3. The Expanse.
4. Half the people who go to NASA.
5. Stephen Hawking: "If humanity doesn't go to space in the next millennium, we may not survive."

 

[Whizkid]

Also. The question indicated "put Star Trek to rest."

Not, give Star Trek a break.

 

[Bajorassian]

the franchise became infationary, i guess after DS9 they shoud have made a "generational" break like between TOS and TNG.... to reinvent the franchise again around 2020....

So it became an almost permanent degeneration..... like restarting with a kind of (better) SNW and between nothing but maybe 1-2 movies

 

[Detached Nacelle]

i guess after DS9 they shoud have made a "generational" break like between TOS and TNG.... to reinvent the franchise again around 2020....

You mean like how in 2020 they moved a chunk of the franchise to the 32nd century...

But people bemoaned getting a brand new place with a brand new attitude

 

[Bajorassian]

no i didnt mean that, DIS is almost unbearable to watch for me...

I just meant after VOY (or even DS9) there should have been a break for several years... but in the end its about money, DIS would not have had half the audience if it wasnt running under "Star Trek"...

If this "new" star trek played in the 22nd or 32nd century was not realy the point

Just with the abundant quantity of shows in a short tuime the quality dramatically dropped

 

[ichab]

From the looks of things, Trek is going to be resting whether anyone wants it to or not.

For me, it will certainly be put to rest after SNW has finished up.

 

[Nerys Myk]

no i didnt mean that, DIS is almost unbearable to watch for me...

I just meant after VOY (or even DS9) there should have been a break for several years... but in the end its about money, DIS would not have had half the audience if it wasnt running under "Star Trek"...

If this "new" star trek played in the 22nd or 32nd century was not realy the point

Just with the abundant quantity of shows in a short tuime the quality dramatically dropped

Like when TNG, DS9 and VOY overlapped???

 

[Detached Nacelle]

no i didnt mean that, DIS is almost unbearable to watch for me...

Well whether you like something or not is a matter of taste for which we famously cannot account. But the fact is they did do what you wanted when you wanted them to do it.

Preferring there to have been no ENT once again falls under the taste banner so there'll be no winner there if we try to debate that.

 

[Bajorassian]

Yes, at least Voyager was somehow not necessary, they just thought "we have the hype right now, lets milk it to the death"... which they did

between 1987 and 2001 they made over 500 episodes of Star Trek... quite insane if you think about it

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, at least Voyager was somehow not necessary, they just thought "we have the hype right now, lets milk it to the death"... which they did

between 1987 and 2001 they made over 500 episodes of Star Trek... quite insane if you think about it

They were in the business of making Star Trek.

 

[bdub76]

Yes, at least Voyager was somehow not necessary, they just thought "we have the hype right now, lets milk it to the death"... which they did

between 1987 and 2001 they made over 500 episodes of Star Trek... quite insane if you think about it

Which is why the audience got burnt out on the IP. Too much of a good thing.

 

[cooleddie74]

526 episodes of the Berman Era in the 24th century. That's more than half of all Trek content ever produced.

 

[Set Harth]

damn

 

[Lynx]

Yes, at least Voyager was somehow not necessary, they just thought "we have the hype right now, lets milk it to the death"... which they did

between 1987 and 2001 they made over 500 episodes of Star Trek... quite insane if you think about it

In defence of Berman and his gang, they weren't alone when it came to that.

Almost every popular series have had its spin-offs or spin-off-spin-off.

Look at CSI which became very popular. Soon we had CSI Miami and CSI New York (both very good).

We had NCIS which was and still is a success. Then we got NCIS LA and NCIS New Orleans and later on we got NCIS Hawaii and NCIS Sydney.

We had Law And Order, then we got Law and Order Criminal Intent and Law And Order SVU.


And if we look at other SF-series, we had Stargate SG-1 and then we got Stargate atlantis and unfortunately also Stargate Universe.

And I won't go into Star Wars with it's numerous spin off-movies.

It seems to be inevitable that a succesful series get some spin-offs.

"Milk it to death"? Yes, definitely. But it often happens.

Personally I think that the biggest mistake Star Trek did was to come up with a retro series, in this case ENT.

It sort of crashed what we got when it come to an interesting Star Trek universe. It messed up a lot of things and never became as popular as the previous series.

What Star Trek should have done after VOY was to make a movie which would have tied together TNG, DS9 and VOY in some way, then take a break for a few years and return with something similar to PIC and maybe Star Trek NCIS, a better Star Trek Starfleet Academy than the recent one or a Star Trek Section 31.

All that when we still had almost all of the TNG, DS9 and VOY actors still alive and well.

Then Star Trek could have continued to develope from there.

 

[HotRod]

What Star Trek should have done after VOY was to make a movie which would have tied together TNG, DS9 and VOY in some way

The general public didn't give a damn about DS9 or Voyager. TNG was significantly more popular than either series, and even the TNG films were struggling by the time Voyager ended. Throwing DS9 and Voyager characters into the mix wouldn't have helped; it likely would have made the films even more convoluted and inaccessible to casual audiences.

 

[Set Harth]

I still think Lore should have gotten a mention in Nemesis.

 

[Cicero]

I still think Lore should have gotten a mention in Nemesis.

He did, after a fashion, in Picard's line that "Doctor Soong's penchant for whimsical names seems to have no end."

The general public didn't give a damn about DS9 or Voyager. TNG was significantly more popular than either series, and even the TNG films were struggling by the time Voyager ended. Throwing DS9 and Voyager characters into the mix wouldn't have helped; it likely would have made the films even more convoluted and inaccessible to casual audiences.

In general, audiences care about characters. Kirk and Spock are the franchise for the largest segment of the public. As popular as the TNG characters were, it seems that their ceiling was lower than that of the original cast.

I don't think there's a road to high-level success for Star Trek without going back to TOS again. (Star Wars has a similar problem—every movie with Luke has sold more tickets than every movie without him.)