Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[Turtletrekker]

I'd love to see Ira Steven Behr get another bite at the franchise apple, but at his age and with now 27 years having elapsed since his last Trek show ceased production I doubt he'd do it even if they asked him. Behr's stubborn independent streak and fighting back against some of Berman's and Paramount's qualms over DS9's content kept that show as good as it was.

Behr took chances in a way Berman was afraid to. As you said, it led to some of the franchises best material. However, Behr also has his name on stinkers like "Profit and Lace" and "Let He Who is Without Sin", and those are episodes I like to trot out as examples when people say Section 31 is the worst thing Star Trek has ever done. That said, I would prefer an occasional swing and a miss to just playing it safe every week.

 

[Sim]

Behr took chances in a way Berman was afraid to. As you said, it led to some of the franchises best material. However, Behr also has his name on stinkers like "Profit and Lace" and "Let He Who is Without Sin", and those are episodes I like to trot out as examples when people say Section 31 is the worst thing Star Trek has ever done. That said, I would prefer an occasional swing and a miss to just playing it safe every week.

I find Section 31 *much* worse than these two DS9 episodes. The former might be a failed attempt at comedy that also happens to be politically questionable even for viewers in the 90s already, and the latter an excourse into soap opera territory (which I find ok, for a change) ... but Section 31 was just a fail from the premise to execution, and from start to end. Imo.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Section 31 was harmless. Profit and Lace was actively offensive. Worf's proselytizing in "Sin" was nauseating.

 

[cooleddie74]

Section 31 works in DS9 and in ENT. "Profit and Lace" just doesn't work period.

 

[Sim]

Section 31 was harmless. Profit and Lace was actively offensive.

It was a way too late nod to the once very popular genre of transvestism comedy, from the famous late 50s (Oscar winning?) "Some like it hot" to early 90s "Mrs Doubtfire", except that Armin Shimerman's acting was better than Marilyn Monroe's, imo.

 

[Sim]

Section 31 works in DS9 and in ENT. "Profit and Lace" just doesn't work period.

I was talking about the movie "Section 31". Section 31 on DS9 was great.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, gotcha. That movie is the worst thing to ever pop out of streaming Star Trek, and streaming Star Trek gave us PIC Season 2 with Agnes Jurati eating car batteries.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Honestly, I would call "Four and a Half Vulcans" the worst thing to come out of streaming Trek.

 

[Sim]

Honestly, I would call "Four and a Half Vulcans" the worst thing to come out of streaming Trek.

Really? I understand how you can dislike it when you want your Trek serious, but I don't mind occasional humour and when the show doesn't take itself too seriously and/or sacrifices plausibility for laughs, occasionally ... I actually found the episode funny, to large parts.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's arguably the worst episode of Season 3, but I laughed, mostly at Pike's stoicism and hilarious body language in the dinner scene with Admiral April and Captain Batel.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's arguably the worst episode of Season 3, but I laughed, mostly at Pike's stoicism and hilarious body language in the dinner scene with Admiral April and Captain Batel.

Not arguably. And season 3 was bad, so that's saying something. Just above Picard seasons two and three bad. As to the rest, I didn't even chuckle until the scene with Spock and Doug.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'll say this much, that episode for all its numerous flaws now gives us a good reason why Kirk 7 years later can be turned into a Romulan and so fast and pass surface scrutiny on the Romulan vessel. He's at least part-Romulan and it's not just fake ears McCoy glued onto him. Otherwise why would he need Dr. McCoy to turn him into a Romulan and then reverse the procedure.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

"Four and a Half Vulcans"

AKA "Spock-Brained"

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Honestly, I would call "Four and a Half Vulcans" the worst thing to come out of streaming Trek.

And the beautiful diversity of the non-toxic sides of the fandom are the truths that can co-exist with you believing that and me believe 4.5 is the best episode of SNW season 3.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And the beautiful diversity of the non-toxic sides of the fandom are the truths that can co-exist with you believing that and me believe 4.5 is the best episode of SNW season 3.

True, but you've also expressed your undying love for the Section 31 movie, Picard season 2 and Jar Jar Binks.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

True, but you've also expressed your undying love for the Section 31 movie, Picard season 2 and Jar Jar Binks.

I'm the black sheep of the flock I know

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, I would call "Four and a Half Vulcans" the worst thing to come out of streaming Trek.

Yeah, so long as the musical, Prodigy's dream planet, it's hard for me to put it that low.

 

[The Salt Umpire]

Section 31 was the only Star Trek I've ever stopped watching aand refused to finish. The rest, I made it at least to the credits.

 

[tomalak301]

In terms of someone new, How about the two that did Project Hail Mary? Miller and Lord I think? Would they want to go from Movies to a TV series?

 

[Ceridwen]

In terms of someone new, How about the two that did Project Hail Mary? Miller and Lord I think? Would they want to go from Movies to a TV series?

I think you'd have to lean hard on Project Hail Mary in the marketing; a lot of unpleasant Trek fans will riot if you say the new series is from the creators of Clone High.