Is it time for Peter David to go?

[KRAD]

^ This has prompted an image of Keith Hernandez as a Vulcan. What's scary is, it works.....

 

[JWolf]

Reading Peter David is like eating malted milk balls. Too much will spoil you for more substantial fare, but you just can't stop.

How can you compare a PAD novel to malted milk balls? PAD novels are good where malted milk balls are like eating sawdust.

 

[JWolf]

Articles of the federation is a sequel to all that have come before and all that come after are a sequel to AoTF.

 

[JWolf]

Personally, I went eighteen months without reading any Star Trek books - partly because of pressures elsewhere in my life, and partly because I'd been disappointed with the quality of some of the ones I'd read. I caught up with the TNG Relaunch earlier this year, and have read two-thirds of Terok Nor, but there's genuinely nothing else on the schedule at the moment which (a) interests me, or (b) I feel I can read casually, having missed so much of the recent output.

Have you gotten to the Destiny trilogy yet? I find that to be quite good.

I originally praised the fiction line for creating ongoing arcs, and for introducing longer storylines like the DS9 Relaunch, but I think the balance has swung way too far.

I think the ongoing story lines are quite a good thing. When there is something we are interested in, it can continue and move forward. New characters can be created and we can see what happens with them. Given how Insurrection ended, we needed some new crew on the Enterprise. Now had these all been standalone novels following Insurrection, we'd have all sort of different new characters with no chance to really get to know them all that well. It would be like during the TV show where we have a different person at helm but never getting to know said person. This way, we get to have crew that can actually stay witht he ship that can become the new Enterprise family. We never got that sense from all the standalone novels during the Richard Arnold era.

 

[LightningStorm]

JWolf, you've been around long enough to know a triple post is frowned upon. Please use the edit button in the future when you think of more to add and you were the last one to post in a thread.

Thanks

 

[JWolf]

PAD stays.

Seconded.

I love Peter David's work. Are we seriously getting to the point where if the author hits a minor off key note, it's time to put him out to pasture? None of his other high quality contributions come into play?

Peter David stays, in my over glorified opinion, and I hope he takes a crack at the novels which may happen after the new Star Trek movie while he's at it.


J.

Michael Jan Friedman his a bump in the road (IMHO) with Death in Winter yet I find nobody wanting to force him out of the Trek universe. Not everybody is going to like every Trek book and unless we get a slew of bad books from a given author, I think said author should stay. Heck, Collision Course was dreadful and yet nobody is asking for Shatner to go.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Reading Peter David is like eating malted milk balls. Too much will spoil you for more substantial fare, but you just can't stop.

How can you compare a PAD novel to malted milk balls? PAD novels are good where malted milk balls are like eating sawdust.

Are you talking about Whoppers? Or Milk Duds?

 

[BrotherBenny]

PAD stays.

Seconded.

I love Peter David's work. Are we seriously getting to the point where if the author hits a minor off key note, it's time to put him out to pasture? None of his other high quality contributions come into play?

Peter David stays, in my over glorified opinion, and I hope he takes a crack at the novels which may happen after the new Star Trek movie while he's at it.


J.

Michael Jan Friedman his a bump in the road (IMHO) with Death in Winter yet I find nobody wanting to force him out of the Trek universe. Not everybody is going to like every Trek book and unless we get a slew of bad books from a given author, I think said author should stay. Heck, Collision Course was dreadful and yet nobody is asking for Shatner to go.

Everything else by MJF has been good, PAD hit a rough spot and although the last two NF books were good, the two just before those were meh. I've wanted Shatner out of the nearest airlock since I read Ashes of Eden and I can't believe that people keep padding his ego by buying the Shitnerverse books (and no, that's NOT a typo!).

 

[JWolf]

Reading Peter David is like eating malted milk balls. Too much will spoil you for more substantial fare, but you just can't stop.

How can you compare a PAD novel to malted milk balls? PAD novels are good where malted milk balls are like eating sawdust.

Are you talking about Whoppers? Or Milk Duds?

I know Whoppers taste like saw dust. I don't reacll Milk Duds.

Seconded.

I love Peter David's work. Are we seriously getting to the point where if the author hits a minor off key note, it's time to put him out to pasture? None of his other high quality contributions come into play?

Peter David stays, in my over glorified opinion, and I hope he takes a crack at the novels which may happen after the new Star Trek movie while he's at it.


J.

Michael Jan Friedman his a bump in the road (IMHO) with Death in Winter yet I find nobody wanting to force him out of the Trek universe. Not everybody is going to like every Trek book and unless we get a slew of bad books from a given author, I think said author should stay. Heck, Collision Course was dreadful and yet nobody is asking for Shatner to go.

Everything else by MJF has been good, PAD hit a rough spot and although the last two NF books were good, the two just before those were meh. I've wanted Shatner out of the nearest airlock since I read Ashes of Eden and I can't believe that people keep padding his ego by buying the Shitnerverse books (and no, that's NOT a typo!).

Yes, Death in Winter was not up to being a hardcover and thus the asking price was way too high. It would have been ok as a paperback.

As for The Ashes of Eden, I really enjoyed it. It felt right. It felt like the last adventure for Kirk before the Enterprise-B incident. I have not yet read any of the other Shatnerverse other than Collision Course and that one was a speedbump surrounded by giant potholes. If the next book comes out, I will read it just to find out what happens next. But I won't buy it.

 

[Dale]

Reading Peter David is like eating malted milk balls. Too much will spoil you for more substantial fare, but you just can't stop.

How can you compare a PAD novel to malted milk balls? PAD novels are good where malted milk balls are like eating sawdust.

Are you talking about Whoppers? Or Milk Duds?

I was talking Whoppers... which are delicious, BTW J Wolf. Have you ever HAD sawdust? No comparison.

Don't get me wrong. I have had a rollicking good time with virtually all of PAD's work... but the over-the-topness sometimes goes a little over the top, if you take my meaning. It's almost as if he's writing satire.

 

[Paris]

PAD leave trek books behind ? No Way! It's not time for PAD to go anywhere. If anything, he should be making more Trek-lit contributions. I thinkthe announcement of another NF book coming out in 2010 is fantastic. The fact that we will only have a year in between NF releases, may have people in PAD's (and NF's) corner again. I'm hoping that he also writes another NF (or any other series) comic book for IDW in 2010...

 

[Marie1]

How can you compare a PAD novel to malted milk balls? PAD novels are good where malted milk balls are like eating sawdust.

Are you talking about Whoppers? Or Milk Duds?

I was talking Whoppers... which are delicious, BTW J Wolf. Have you ever HAD sawdust? No comparison.

This is just awesome... in a thread about the future career of an author... an argument about candy... wow!

 

[wizkid]

He should stop TNG while he is ahead. His last TNG book was down compared to other awesome books he has written for TNG.

 

[Elias Vaughn]

What other TNG books of his were worth reading? Out of his TNG, I've only read Before Dishonor, and it was jarring how out of character some of the characters were. Worf springs immediately to mind.

 

[deck5]

I know that there are many PAD fans around here and I am included in that group. However, PAD's most recent Trek submissions show he is no longer, in my humble opinion, at the top of his game.

He's fallen into the trap of surrounding himself exclusively with people who tell him that everything he does is wonderful.

 

[Therin of Andor]

What other TNG books of his were worth reading? Out of his TNG, I've only read Before Dishonor.

"Strike Zone" (follows up some old threads from his TOS Series I comic, but TNG-only fans wouldn't realize), "A Rock and a Hard Place" (with a flawed Starfleet officer who later inspired the character of Calhoun in "New Frontier") and "Vendetta", the first and ultimate Borg novel.

 

[Aaron McGuire]

I admit that I haven't read a NF novel since "Renaissance", but I was looking at Memory Beta the other day and saw that NF has Arex and M'Ress in it and M'Ress was at one point romanticly involved with the genetically engineered Mugato member of the crew. Does reading about it in the novels make your brain bleed as much as mine did just typing that?

Aaron McGuire

 

[LaBarre]

I know that there are many PAD fans around here and I am included in that group. However, PAD's most recent Trek submissions show he is no longer, in my humble opinion, at the top of his game.

He's fallen into the trap of surrounding himself exclusively with people who tell him that everything he does is wonderful.

And you have gained this very specific knowledge of David's social/professional circle and his psychological response to same from...whom?

This is silly.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I admit that I haven't read a NF novel since "Renaissance", but I was looking at Memory Beta the other day and saw that NF has Arex and M'Ress in it

And as a big Arex, M'Ress and TAS fan, who was devastated when PAD was ordered to remove those characters from his TOS movie era comic (beginning with DC Comics Series II, #1) when he'd planned a big, ongoing M'Ress/Sulu romance plotline, and a controversial Arex-in-Security plotline, I was thrilled when John Ordover suggested that PAD add the characters into "New Frontier" from "Cold Wars" and onwards.

M'Ress was at one point romanticly involved with the genetically engineered Mugato member of the crew.

Well, you've spoilered yourself on a surprise plot twist, but Ensign Janos was a great character. His final story is told in "New Frontier: Stone and Anvil", an excellent Star Trek whodunnit.

Does reading about it in the novels make your brain bleed as much as mine did just typing that?

Not mine.

 

[ClayinCA]

What other TNG books of his were worth reading? Out of his TNG, I've only read Before Dishonor.

"Strike Zone" (follows up some old threads from his TOS Series I comic, but TNG-only fans wouldn't realize), "A Rock and a Hard Place" (with a flawed Starfleet officer who later inspired the character of Calhoun in "New Frontier") and "Vendetta", the first and ultimate Borg novel.

And of course, there's Q-in-Law and Imzadi, two of my all-time favorite Next Generation novels.