my brain is not bleeding.
Is it time for Peter David to go?
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Not on your life.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I read "Vendetta" when I was 17 and thought it was one of the most exciting stories I'd ever read.
2 years ago, age 34 I read "before Dishonor" and my 17 year-old self cried the whole time!!
2 years ago, age 34 I read "before Dishonor" and my 17 year-old self cried the whole time!!
I just finished reading "Treason" and I really enjoyed it. It's not as comically funny as I remember some of his earlier books, but I could not put it down. He may be winding the series down, though, as I think about the developments that occured in this book.
Basically, the market will determine if he should stop writing or not. As long as he puts quality stuff like "Treason" out, he'll be fine!
Basically, the market will determine if he should stop writing or not. As long as he puts quality stuff like "Treason" out, he'll be fine!
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
PAD is a pretty good comic book writer. Unfortunately, Trek in general is not a comic book franchise. The longer he's been let run loose, the more "comic book-y" his writing has gotten.
No he wasn't...Neither was the idiot navigator who turned out to be a titan.
Not mine.Does reading about it in the novels make your brain bleed as much as mine did just typing that?
What makes MY brain bleed is the terrible way he frakked up M'ress and Arex.
Ha. That's how I felt all the way back at NF. Vendetta was my very first Star Trek novel--no...my very first grown-up novel EVER. I LOVED it. It was wonderful! Heck, I also loved his "young adult" books as well.
Then came the utterly trashy NF series--and YUCK YUCK YUCK. I mean, he managed to rape SO many childhood memories with that one. Honestly, who wants to see their adored children's book characters doing what some of PAD's characters did in those books? That's like catching your parents or siblings in the act. (Where's a barf icon when you need it????)
I have despised him ever since. And a damn shame, considering how good his early stuff was.
No. The first PD novs i read TNG #5 Strike Zone - Kreel and Klingons fighting and Orange Crush and Wesley dealt with terminal illness. More serious PD novel., GIANT NOVEL TNG Vendetta Guinan the Borg, delcara and Planet killer. Hell of a novel Never understood giant novels 50 cents more for bigger print and spacing yet more pages, but this was such a fun book. Next up i sat in my Baltimore Ravens beanbag chair as kid reading DS9 #2 The Seige in one sitting all night. Meta the changleing on a killing spree with Baraka swords morhs, Quark making a Dax and Kira holosex program slimeball!..all hell is breaking loose for sisko .and this is the first orignal ds9 novel. I thought this series is gonna kick asstronaut. 4 stars i think Ive read this 3 times until it got lost moving last year. Soon i got my paws on Doomsday World, and Imazadi w a cool pop out cover. But my favorite Star Trek book is Q Squared. So this book and its complexity and different track with Q and Trleane are the most fun I've ever had in a star trek book. Even if Laforge being sent into Trios shower isn't funny! Classic For this book he is god..Read Imzadi II TRIANGLe as he was promised it would be titled. Fun action flick, opposite of the first Imzadi and as Mr. David said, they are not really related and thats why he was opposed to the name IMZ:II. they told him Triangle was going the be the title in large letter and IMZ 2 small as a compromise, thats not how it got printed. Liars! Anway Tom Riker returns in Worf Trio 3 some. Selas also run around the DMZ or something. Good book. Few years later, I read Stone and Anvil. but never read a NF book before and had trouble following. Acadmy story was neat. I eagerly got back in trek this summer read Before Dishoner (ater staring w MJFS Death.. and JM Dillards Reistance, and KRADS QnA. Leading to this big purple TNG book with 7of9 on the cover and Borg are attack. This comic book of a novel was fun, but its about the end of world and 2 admirals are huddled in a World War II bunker making corny jokes. That killed Jellicos creadabilty in anyfutre novel thank god he was written out and resigned. Its just like 2 amirals are in charge and that it! I dunno Spock and Calhoon were um stuck in there. Fun read over the top...Lots of little chapters. Then continued this winter I got my paws on Rock in a Hard Place the Will Riker in the snow bear action flick which rocked. And the last 2 PD novellas (ha) i read were New Frontier books 1 and 2 i found at Ukazzo book store in Towson. Good little books too bad i cant find 3 and 4 and i don't buy things off the computer.
So that ramble means no, his novels are fun comedic action packed adventures. I like them when in the mood.
So that ramble means no, his novels are fun comedic action packed adventures. I like them when in the mood.
I'm intensely curious as to how the NF series "raped" your childhood? I don't want to debate, but I am, like I said, just curious. I'm a huge fan of the NF series and I don't see how it could do that.
neither do i, but there again, i HATE that phrase. if ever meet the pillock who first used it, i'll kick his head in.
Same ol' Arex and M'Ress to me. Only now with personalities! M'Ress actually showed her flirtatious side way back in "Mudd's Passion" (TAS) and DC Comics' post-ST IV storylines. 24th century Arex is friendly, often-humorous, resourceful and has deep affection for M'Ress.
Please define "frakked up".
I'm intensely curious as to how the NF series "raped" your childhood? I don't want to debate, but I am, like I said, just curious. I'm a huge fan of the NF series and I don't see how it could do that.
Well, a lot of the characters in NF made their first appearance in David's kids' books--the Starfleet Academy books...which were books that, along with some others in the series, I got very attached to. I mean, I was little when I read them. So then, seeing those same characters saying and doing the kinds of things they were doing...it was very, very jarring and completely ruined my ability to enjoy NF.
I very much enjoyed his earlier books (LOVED Vendetta). Honestly, I have never been a fan of New Frontier, but that is not the author's fault -- it just didn't gell with me.
I was, however, VERY disappointed with Before Dishonour. It just did not feel like a TNG book --- to me it was disconnected, too frenetic, and often senseless.
I think Before Dishonour was just a misstep -- I definitely look forward to reading more Star Trek novels by this author!
I was, however, VERY disappointed with Before Dishonour. It just did not feel like a TNG book --- to me it was disconnected, too frenetic, and often senseless.
I think Before Dishonour was just a misstep -- I definitely look forward to reading more Star Trek novels by this author!
I'm intensely curious as to how the NF series "raped" your childhood? I don't want to debate, but I am, like I said, just curious. I'm a huge fan of the NF series and I don't see how it could do that.
Well, a lot of the characters in NF made their first appearance in David's kids' books--the Starfleet Academy books...which were books that, along with some others in the series, I got very attached to. I mean, I was little when I read them. So then, seeing those same characters saying and doing the kinds of things they were doing...it was very, very jarring and completely ruined my ability to enjoy NF.
well, they grew up.
What are they doing that is so horrific? I've read every NF book and have not found anything to be remotely offended about.
What do you mean by "comic book-y"? If that simply involves ludicrous plots, then there is no shortage of them in Star Trek. If it is to do with over-the-top characters who manage heroic feats in battle and make quips while doing so, there's plenty of them in Star Trek as well.
I think it's quite significant that the most ludicrous story in New Frontier IMO - the one with the Greek gods - was simply an expansion of a TOS story.
I find PAD's writing far truer to the Star Trek that I know than, for instance, a sledgehammer Iraq war parallel in a shallow Trek dressing - and I know which I would prefer to read.
I think Nerys Ghemor is referring to the fact that characters in New Frontier have sex sometimes.
Yeah, because Star Trek never did sledgehammer allegories about racism, like "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," or Vietnam, like "A Private Little War," or abortion, like "Up the Long Ladder," or sexuality, like "The Outcast," or...
No sex please, we're Cardassian!
Yeah, because Star Trek never did sledgehammer allegories about abortion, like "Up the Long Ladder,"
Wow, I missed this --- I always thought that this episode was warning us about the dangers posed by cloning.
or sexuality, like "The Outcast,"
I would hardly call this a "sledgehammer allegory." This episode was a real disappointment --- Star Trek's producers could have finally been truly brave and tackled the issue of gay rights in a society ---and instead we got this melodramatic mess. (I don't want to take this thread off-topic -- I just wanted to express this reaction to the previous post.)
Wow, I missed this --- I always thought that this episode was warning us about the dangers posed by cloning.
or sexuality, like "The Outcast,"
I would hardly call this a "sledgehammer allegory." This episode was a real disappointment --- Star Trek's producers could have finally been truly brave and tackled the issue of gay rights in a society ---and instead we got this melodramatic mess. (I don't want to take this thread off-topic -- I just wanted to express this reaction to the previous post.)
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Hey, I didn't say they were effective allegories. For that matter, you can find episodes of TOS that are anti-US involvement in Vietnam, but "Private Little War" basically says it sucks, but we have to do it. What the Iraq parallel in A Time To... has going for it is that it's an intense and powerful story in its own right, one that can be enjoyed whether you know it's an allegory or not. Too many Trek allegories are just allegories because that's what some writers think they're supposed to be doing, regardless of whether they have an actual story to tell and a point to make. The Tezwa stuff has both.
As for "Up the Long Ladder", from the book Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages by way of Memory Alpha:
"Snodgrass recalled, "I got enormous flack from the right to life coalition because they destroyed the clones. They thought I was condoning abortion. In fact, I did put a line in Riker's mouth that was very pro-choice and the right to life coalition went crazy. He says I told you that you can't clone me and you did it against my will, and I have the right to have control over my own body. That's my feeling and it was soapbox, and it was one I got to get on. I was supported by Maurice all the way."
