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Is it time for Peter David to go?

There is, actually, a comfortable ending to "Tuvix" -- it's that Janeway doesn't do anything, and Tuvix lives.

I wouldn't be comfortable with that.

I guess it's lucky that Neelix had no relatives and Tuvok's were highly logical.

George W. Bush is not a "Junior," and it's inaccurate to refer to him as such. His father is George Herbert Walker Bush; he is George Walker Bush.

I removed the "Jr". I only put it there because I thought someone would ask which Bush I meant.

Did he refuse the "Herbert" bit due to its meaning from TOS? ;)
 
There is, actually, a comfortable ending to "Tuvix" -- it's that Janeway doesn't do anything, and Tuvix lives.
I wouldn't be comfortable with that.

I guess it's lucky that Neelix had no relatives and Tuvok's were highly logical.
The problem, Ian, is that Tuvix was a living being with his own personality and his own memories. Tuvok and Neelix were, essentially, his parents, now deceased.

Let's suppose, for sake of argument, that a scientist developed a technology that could restore someone's dead parents, but it meant that the child had to die. Would you want that scientist to use the technique on you, to restore your parents to life? You would die, but your parents would live again. Do you think that's right? Maybe you would volunteer for it. But what if you didn't? What if someone forced you to be killed, so your parents could live again? Were the parents that much more important than the child?

That's the premise of "Tuvix." Janeway forces the murder of an individual so that the individual's parents can be reborn and live again. And why Janeway wasn't brought up on charges when she returned home -- or why Tuvok didn't have her thrown in the brig for the rest of the journey home -- I will never understand. It was murder.

Don't misunderstand. I'm fond of Tuvok and Neelix. And yes, I fully understand that the format of the series dictates that the problem -- Tuvok and Neelix are merged in a transporter accident, resulting in a creature that is their child -- will be reset to the status quo. But viewed dispassionately, Janeway's actions in "Tuvix" can't be justified at all. What she did wasn't just illegal. What she did was immoral.

George W. Bush is not a "Junior," and it's inaccurate to refer to him as such. His father is George Herbert Walker Bush; he is George Walker Bush.
I removed the "Jr". I only put it there because I thought someone would ask which Bush I meant.
I've found that it's usually obvious from context. :)

Did he refuse the "Herbert" bit due to its meaning from TOS? ;)
Considering that George W. Bush was born long before the original series debuted, that would be... no. :rolleyes:
 
I found a Tuvix thread in the Voy forum sometime back. Peeps looking to jump in might want to search for and look at that. It was pretty intense.
 
I did, actually. In the last sentence, about Ian's "joke" that George H.W. Bush named his son George W. Bush because of what TOS did with "Herbert." Yes, Ian, I realize it was a joke, but it wasn't funny. Like, to bring this back on topic, some of PAD's jokes in, oh, Cold Wars. :)
 
:wtf: How the heck did we get from Peter David's present quality as a Trek-Lit writer to whether or not Allyn Gibson has an eye-rolling smiley in one post?
 
:wtf: How the heck did we get from Peter David's present quality as a Trek-Lit writer to whether or not Allyn Gibson has an eye-rolling smiley in one post?

I don't know, but I really hate the use of rolls-eyes. It's so dismissive. Just a personal thing, but when people use it on me it feels very hurtful.

In any case, just because some people have perhaps grown tired of Peter David's doesn't mean he should "have to go", forcing those of us who like his work to miss out. So long as his manuscripts keep getting approved by CBS Consumer Products, PAD only goes when his readership has made his books unprofitable.

It's happened before. "The Captain's Daughter" received excellent reviews, but it didn't sell the required number of copies, and any hope of PAD writing lots more Captain Sulu stories faded fast. "New Frontier" continues to sell.
 
I have a semi off topic question: Does anyone know if New Frontier will take the events of Destiny into account if/when it reaches that point? I'm assuming it will, but PAD does tend to go off in his own direction with NF occaisionally.
 
I guess it would have to, though I'm still not sure exactly when the last few novels have taken place. I was looking for clues throughout "Treason" as to whether the Borg War had happened yet. Actually, I don't think I ever even figured out if the time-jump placed "After The Fall" before or after "Nemesis."
 
The time jump put it somewhere after Shinzon's assassination of the Romulan Senate, given that Soleta recieves a notice of it around (I believe) the point where she kills her crew. Been a while since I read After The Fall, but I do recall reading her reacting to it.

So I'd estimate there's about a year or so of in-universe time until they hit the events of Destiny.
 
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