Is it just me...

[The Old Mixer]

I think the next ship should be a living creature. I think they should forget about the uniforms and just wear regular street clothes. I think the crew should be made up of mostly aliens, two humans, and a couple of muppets. I think the name of the show should be changed to something like Farscape.

It was funny until that last part when you hit us over the head with the sledgehammer.

 

[ozzfloyd]

I much prefer the E refit personally. Never cared much for the sparseness of the TOS E. However...a big no to putting the refit in TOS. Would not fit the visual sensibilities of everything else on the show and would negate the big reveal of the refit in TMP.

 

[Dukhat]

If Bashir never studied Klingon medicine in any depth, he may have never heard the rumors.

A virus that affected the Klingon Empire for a hundred years that made Klingons look like humans, and Bashir never learned about it? Or anyone else, for that matter?

 

[Nerys Myk]

^While that's true, I think Terok Nor's point was that if they HAD to explain the differences, at least it was done in a humorous fashion instead of some convoluted technobabble way. I think how DS9 handled it was perfect. And the need for the "actual" explanation in ENT now makes little sense in the context of DS9. Being a doctor, there's no way Bashir wouldn't have known the circumstances as presented in ENT. But in T&T he's just as clueless as the rest of them.

I really dislike the Enterprise series. Starting with the show's title. Because whenever you talk about Enterprise you have to qualify it with by saying "The prequel series not the ship"

I liked T'Pol though. Nice ears.

You do? I would think context would give it away.

 

[BillJ]

If Bashir never studied Klingon medicine in any depth, he may have never heard the rumors.

A virus that affected the Klingon Empire for a hundred years that made Klingons look like humans, and Bashir never learned about it? Or anyone else, for that matter?

Something that happened two hundred years earlier that the Klingons don't discuss with outsiders? Yeah, I can see that as something that isn't common knowledge.

It seems none of the DS9 gang that were in the bar at K7 had never seen a non-ridged Klingon before.

 

[Terok Nor]

If Bashir never studied Klingon medicine in any depth, he may have never heard the rumors.

A virus that affected the Klingon Empire for a hundred years that made Klingons look like humans, and Bashir never learned about it? Or anyone else, for that matter?

Something that happened two hundred years earlier that the Klingons don't discuss with outsiders? Yeah, I can see that as something that isn't common knowledge.

It seems none of the DS9 gang that were in the bar at K7 had never seen a non-ridged Klingon before.

There were still smooth headed Klingons in abundance just 100 years before DS9 began. I really doubt Starfleet had no record of this supposed virus that made Klingons look human. Spock, Bones and Scotty were still around in the 24th century and they crossed paths with both versions of the Klingons many times. Bashir being a Starfleet doctor and an augmented human and not knowing about this virus would make him look extremely ignorant.

The explanation was unnecessary and irrelevant to the spin offs which is why it was ignored and made a joke of in Trials and Tribbleations. The problem is Enterprise was supposed to be a prequel to the original Trek but showed the ridged Klingons from the start because it wanted to hedge its bets and trade off the successes of the other spin offs by featuring all the familiar alien races like the Ferengi, the Romulans and the Borg even though they were never meant to be seen by Starfleet during this era. The series was a mess and didn't know what it wanted to be so the the Klingon explanation was trotted out as a last ditch effort to get old viewers to watch.

I'm fairly comfortable pretending Enterprise and all it retconned into the Trek universe (Temporal cold war, the Xindi, Klingon augments, first contact with races from TNG, the hideous episode set during a TNG episode and everything else) never happened. I'm glad it's a prequel because I can just ignore it. That sounds cold but I really did not like what was done with this series. The only positive thing it added to the franchise was a more in depth look at The Andorians. Everything else was going over old glories. Even Voyager managed to come up with some original ideas and races even if most of them were crap.

 

[RAMA]

The TOS model is the first one I saw in the '60s. All the rest are impostors.

Yes, because it's the first one to hit your retinas, so it's the simplest thing to retain....?

The first man on the moon was the only real man on the moon, all the others were imposters.

 

[BillJ]

The TOS model is the first one I saw in the '60s. All the rest are impostors.

Yes, because it's the first one to hit your retinas, so it's the simplest thing to retain....?

The first man on the moon was the only real man on the moon, all the others were imposters.

Wow. Not remotely the same thing.

Jefferies had the perfect design the first time around, which is why the franchise has been using it as a template for nearly fifty years.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

 

[Zaminhon]

^Yep

I think the next ship should be a living creature. I think they should forget about the uniforms and just wear regular street clothes. I think the crew should be made up of mostly aliens, two humans, and a couple of muppets. I think the name of the show should be changed to something like Farscape.

It was funny until that last part when you hit us over the head with the sledgehammer.

Yes, but my point is that if the Enterprise design is changed into something unrecognizable, then it is no longer Star Trek. It would be like changing the Death Star into a giant Cube.

 

[Disco]

I don't see how the Enterprise design defines Star Trek. Star Trek is more than how a ship is designed.

 

[Marsden]

The TOS model is the first one I saw in the '60s. All the rest are impostors.

Yes, because it's the first one to hit your retinas, so it's the simplest thing to retain....?

The first man on the moon was the only real man on the moon, all the others were imposters.

Wow. Not remotely the same thing.

Jefferies had the perfect design the first time around, which is why the franchise has been using it as a template for nearly fifty years.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Thanks, BillJ, I wanted to say something but you said it better.

 

[BillJ]

I don't see how the Enterprise design defines Star Trek. Star Trek is more than how a ship is designed.

It doesn't define it. But it does give the franchise an undeniable look and symbol that is easily seen as "Star Trek".

 

[Kor]

It would be jarring to see the refit in TOS, as spaceships in science fiction television series and movies of that time had a smoother, more sleek appearance, at least before 2001: A Space Odyssey.

The original E had an appearance that fits into the overall aesthetic of the series as well as the time when it was produced (and I actually prefer it over later versions of the ship, while I can appreciate them in their own right).

Kor

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It would be like changing the Death Star into a giant Cube.

If, instead of droids and people, you filled it with half-droid people, that's not a half-bad idea.

 

[xortex]

What happened to Robert Hewitt Wolf's untitled space series that featured trans Humans?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The TOS model is the first one I saw in the '60s. All the rest are impostors.

Yes, because it's the first one to hit your retinas, so it's the simplest thing to retain....?

The first man on the moon was the only real man on the moon, all the others were imposters.

Wow. Not remotely the same thing.

Jefferies had the perfect design the first time around, which is why the franchise has been using it as a template for nearly fifty years.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with liking the Mona Lisa better than Marilyn Diptych. Just because you do, that doesn't mean that you are incapable of liking new things.

P.S. There's nothing wrong with liking Marilyn Diptych better than the Mona Lisa, either.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Yes, but my point is that if the Enterprise design is changed into something unrecognizable, then it is no longer Star Trek. It would be like changing the Death Star into a giant Cube.

That's actually my approach to Star Trek overall.

 

[scotpens]

Off topic slightly but I'm rewatching TOS (first time seeing it remastered with new effects) and I love the CGI Enterprise. It's a beauty. The original version always looked like it was a hologram being projected.

I have exactly the opposite reaction. The 11-foot model looked and moved like it had mass and substance. The CGI Enterprise just never looks quite right. The lighting effect in the nacelle domes, in particular, looks cartoony.

When I first saw DS9's tribute episode I wished the Enterprise had looked like that in the original series and now it does.

If you're referring to "Trials and Tribble-ations," the TOS Enterprise in that episode wasn't CGI. It was a physical model built by Greg Jein, and was about 5 feet long IIRC.

 

[Citizen Cook]

^While that's true, I think Terok Nor's point was that if they HAD to explain the differences, at least it was done in a humorous fashion instead of some convoluted technobabble way. I think how DS9 handled it was perfect. And the need for the "actual" explanation in ENT now makes little sense in the context of DS9. Being a doctor, there's no way Bashir wouldn't have known the circumstances as presented in ENT. But in T&T he's just as clueless as the rest of them.

I really dislike the Enterprise series. Starting with the show's title. Because whenever you talk about Enterprise you have to qualify it with by saying "The prequel series not the ship"

I liked T'Pol though. Nice ears.

You do? I would think context would give it away.

Have you ever talked to a non-fan?
If you say something like on "ST:Enterprise...." they tend to not understand the context. They think I'm talking about the OS, TNG, or the movies.

I have to explain that I'm talking about the cancelled with that guy from Quantum Leap.

 

[Dukhat]

I have to explain that I'm talking about the cancelled with that guy from Quantum Leap.

Well, then maybe that's how you should start the conversation in the future