Is Fox foxing-up Dollhouse?
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Whedon has all the blame in this predicament. IMO. The first couple of episodes of the series were DULL... really DULL. It doomed the show.
That FOX actually renewed it was something of a miracle - but since the show hasn't grown since then, it will be cancelled.
That FOX actually renewed it was something of a miracle - but since the show hasn't grown since then, it will be cancelled.
I think CBS' flashpoint got a friday slot and it did well. REgardless, I think it is bad show. I know my opinion means squat. But it is too slow and too boring.
I was skeptical about Netflix, but now I realize that it is awesome.
Can you really tell me that you've never liked a show that's been canceled prematurely?
And Fox were the ones who got him to rework the first 5 episodes in to what they were.
I'm not arguing they killed it, or they the show deserves to go on with ratings like it's getting. I'm surprised the renewed it for a second season, I'm surprised they're showing all 13 episodes.
Yeah, uh, the first 5 episodes were rewritten to Fox studio executives' notes. They had no understanding of what Whedon was trying to do at all. Episode 6-on is when Whedon's vision for the show kicks in.
But it was FOX who funded the show. And Whedon should have known what he was getting into when he want to FOX to create the show. Network interference happens all the time, and some networks are more known for it than others. That's why I really don't blame FOX for this screw up.
Another screw-up was of course the casting of Eliza Dushku in a central role. She does not have the acting chops to carry a show like this. But just like the FOX situation, this show got funded because of her involvement. And she clearly wanted to do the show.
So again, it is back to Whedon. He chose to make a deal with FOX. He chose make a show with Dushku. Those two decision did handicap him, but I still think he could have written a more compelling start to the show. But like all Whedon shows, Dollhouse as a veeery slow starter.
^It'd Eliza's show. The show exists because they gave a deal to her, and she got him involved.
As Bob said, that's misrepresenting things somewhat.
Eliza asked Joss to write a Fox show for her. He just figured out what to write.
C'mon... It is semantics. It's not like she held a gun to his face to force him. He *chose* to work with her.
Or put another way - My employer may be the one offering me a job, but I still have to accept. That is *my* choice.
So my original statement of "He chose make a show with Dushku" is 100% correct.
I said it was misrepresenting the situation, not that it was incorrect. There's a difference. A semantic one, maybe, but still important.
The point is that Dollhouse with a different lead or on a different network was never a possibility. It was either this or nothing.
Come on, reruns of House are getting better ratings than original episodes of Dollhouse. If the time slot was the only problem then House reruns would be doing just as bad.
Hmmm... I might have watched shows that were canceled early, but I've always been aware of the show's flaws and I understood why people weren't watching. And when the show inevitably got canceled I didn't shed a tear. But then again, I may not be a true geek, because I don't love canceled shows.
I honestly doubt many people love Dollhouse. It has its moments, but I don't see it developing anywhere near the following that Firefly did, for instance.
But that doesn't mean some of us wouldn't be sorry not to see it developed to its full potential.
But that doesn't mean some of us wouldn't be sorry not to see it developed to its full potential.
Checkmate
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And it's every bit as abysmal now as it was then. The entire premise of the show, not just its execution, is complete and utter shit
Fanboy opinions notwithstanding. (Note how even they're saying they don't love the show. Yet they'll apparently defend it to their dying breath in order to kiss Whedon's ass on the off-chance, I guess, that he may happen upon this loving tribute of his work and shower them in his hyperegotistical manjuice or something. I honestly don't know.)
Because you're wrong about it. Dollhouse is a great show.
In any event, this series is toast. Fox isn't messing up the scheduling by doing this; if anything they're doing us a favor to committing to run the entire set of episodes that they've contracted for rather than pulling it now.
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