Is Disney "Star Wars" universe imploding?
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Previous 6? I'd settle for one
Yes, special people get to be the hero.
Ordinary people, especially girls, get to be token sassy sidekicks.
And yet people keep repeating the same counter claims back to me. Even often ignoring the same points that I'm having to repeat such as Luke not in fact being an amazing badass. I'm going to guess it's okay when they do it though because those are correct opinions while mine is wrong.
I'm going to say that I'm not a fan of JJ (knew that going in) and I'm not a fan of Rian. I think either might be fine as a director of others peoples stuff but both fail as a writer. And before you say I'm wrong about that opinion too let's remind ourselves of the ending to Lost (well loved by its fans I believe) Into Darkness (highly praised and successful Star Trek movie right?) and can anyone name me a Rian Johnson film outside of Looper (that everyone has pretty much forgotten as good idea rather poorly executed) without going to IMDB or wikipedia? Again I say maybe some people just don't like these guys. You do, that's fine. I'm glad your enjoying the movies. I have never tried to tell anyone they are wrong for liking these movies. I just said that I didn't due to poor writing and got told off for being sexist. Something I can assume you understand is not appreciated.
Sorry to hear that
I like how StarSexist "liked" your post thinking that you were taking his side instead of making the opposite point. Must be that world-renowned 220 IQ of his at work again.
I think you're hugely underselling what a profound decision it was for Finn to refuse to open fire on the villagers, and then to decide to desert his post because of the loss of his friend and because he didn't want to kill in the name of the First Order. It's an almost unheard of occurrence with the level of indoctrination the Stormtroopers go through since childhood.
You can tell this by how, despite there being tens of thousands of Stormtroopers in the Starkiller Base Nazi rally scene, Finn's hesitation and break from conformity runs immediately up the chain of command to the Stormtrooper commander, Phasma, and to the co-Deputy head of the First Order, Kylo Ren. And by how they expend a great deal of time and energy trying to kill him. And how he is immediately infamous among the Stormtrooper rank and file and the First Order leadership for being a "TRAITOR!", instead of it being just another every day occurrence among the conscripts, like in Han Solo's regular Imperial Army unit in Solo, where outsiders come in and soldiers desert their post and barely anyone seems to notice, because it's so common.
So Finn is as much a hero in his own way as Rey is, despite having no powers and being the reluctant type who isn't eager to get dragged back into the war he just escaped. But he does overcome his reluctance, not for ideology, but to protect his friends, and he damn near takes out Kylo Ren in the process to try and protect Rey.
So saying Finn was "useless" and a "follower" seriously undervalues and misunderstands the character as much as you have misunderstood Rey. He's the opposite of a follower; that was like the whole point.
Plus, he worked in sanitation as his backup duty rotation to being a full time Stormtrooper, who are the elite special forces of the Empire/First Order when they're not getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of Teddy Bears. So dismissing him as just a "janitor" when describing his ability to fight Phasma means you missed the point, again. The sanitation line was played for laughs between Finn and Han, not meant to suggest that was the limit of his skill set.
Also, I don't know what film you were watching if you thought Poe was useless in TFA. Did you miss the attack on Takodana where he was picking off individual Stormtroopers on the ground in close proximity to friendlies in between picking off enemy TIE Fighters? Or his piloting skills in the totally non-derivative trench run to fly into the totally not the Death Star's MacGuffin Reactor and destroy it?
Yeah, useless.
No need to insinuate anything. You wear your sexism on your sleeve and then use that sleeve to wipe your nose after you cry manbaby tears of rage because a female character is shown to be capable and competent just as her male counterparts have been for decades without a second thought from the butthurt brigade.Yep! Cause Rey is good at everything. No explanation needed. If you want one, we'll apply some twisted logic and Throw Luke and Anakin back in your face because they're male, and insinuate you're sexist for even bringing up the issue. No questions! We are the artbitrators of truth on this board don't you know.
I don't know if everyone who makes a stink out of these issues is sexist (though a lot, if not most, are). I want to give Kibbin the benefit of the doubt. But you most certainly are a sexist, misogynist dinosaur, a relic of the old days best forgotten (to paraphrase Judi Dench), as you've demonstrated numerous times before. You're also a racist and a homophobe with a massive victim complex, so you're a triple threat of backwards beliefs.
Kibbin would be best served to maintain his distance from you. StarSegregation is not someone you want on your side.
I read these threads occasionally to see if there is any insight in to how I feel about Star Wars, but there isn’t.
I haven’t seen Solo yet, but I’ll buy the DVD. There is much said about hate and gender, but after watching these movies, I don’t know Ray from Finn. I know BB8 by name though.
I don’t know what I don’t like about these movies because I’m not invested enough. I don’t leave the cinema or switch off the DVD wondering what happens next. I don’t know how to fix them, but they don’t feel like part of the first six. Not enough exposition or narration, and too much time passed. I thought the Empire was crushed, what went wrong? I’m hoping ep9 will clear up some questions, but I’m not sensing any great narrative plan unfolding. It doesn’t feel like Ep1 to ep9 will play out as a single coherent story. I don’t think though, that its imploding.
I haven’t seen Solo yet, but I’ll buy the DVD. There is much said about hate and gender, but after watching these movies, I don’t know Ray from Finn. I know BB8 by name though.
I don’t know what I don’t like about these movies because I’m not invested enough. I don’t leave the cinema or switch off the DVD wondering what happens next. I don’t know how to fix them, but they don’t feel like part of the first six. Not enough exposition or narration, and too much time passed. I thought the Empire was crushed, what went wrong? I’m hoping ep9 will clear up some questions, but I’m not sensing any great narrative plan unfolding. It doesn’t feel like Ep1 to ep9 will play out as a single coherent story. I don’t think though, that its imploding.
Yeah, as much as I agree with LoB’s sentiment, I’m not sure that’s the right behavior from the boys and girls with green tags.
That is sort of explained in the opening crawl of Ep7
Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen from
the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until
Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.
Thanks. I really should watch TFA again. I think I’ve seen it twice.
This point I disagree with, as I think when Episode 9 comes out it will make more sense. The ST seems to work far more on a theme of "finding your place" for the new arrivals, while addressing the consequences of the OT. There are many larger themes that I think contribute to the overall narrative.
It remains to be seen how episode 9 will play out, but my gut tells me it won’t hang together. My gut is also edging it’s bets for an episode 10-12 to tie it all together.
Fair enough. The open bigotry some people have felt emboldened to say around the board lately has bothered me a great deal, but you're right that there are more constructive ways to refute it.
I think it will hang together better than it will ever be given credit for. Optimism, Captain
