Star wars died, but it got better. (When Disney purchased it)
Is Disney "Star Wars" universe imploding?
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I’d say it became more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
When a central character obtains powers with no explanation, no "real" challenge, and no real set backs. Well then yes. More powerful, and everything handed over freely without having to work for it. Sure...
I couldn't possibly imagine..
Until now.
I couldn't possibly imagine..
Until now.
Like Luke?
Have you seen a single Star Wars movie? People just have the Force and display unnatural talent and skills that is developed with training. You're just complaining about the new movies doing the exact same thing the old ones did. The only difference is that Rey is a woman.
I wonder what that says about you?
Have you seen a single Star Wars movie? People just have the Force and display unnatural talent and skills that is developed with training. You're just complaining about the new movies doing the exact same thing the old ones did. The only difference is that Rey is a woman.
I wonder what that says about you?
Other people feel differently. It's not always about the character but the writing and the writer.
Women are so scary to insecure men. No wonder they freak out about Rey.
Moron.
We're just free associating here, right? Like you just did? That is just the first word that popped into my head in response to the random word you posted, crookeddy. No offense intended, obviously.
It has nothing to do with insecure men, or that Rey is a woman, I don't care If a character is female, male, black or white or asian. I love strong characters like Sisko in DS9 or Cameron in continuum.
But Luke did get at least a little bit training, from Obi-Wan and Yoda, and Vader just played him.
And he is the descendant of one of the Most powerful Jedi ever, I am not sure but I believe even Sidious mentioned that.
So Luke has special blood, that makes it okay? You need your pure fiction to be justified by more fiction, that's reasonable and logical. Rey doesn't get that same justification for mysterious reasons that has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman.
Absolutely nothing at all.
Absolutely nothing at all.
Luke got less training than Rey, if you watch the films carefully with an eye on the concurrent timelines he spent at most a few days with Yoda and a matter of hours with Obi Wan. Rey in turn had a few days with Luke.
They were both similarly cast as force prodigies and whilst you may personally not care about gender the fuel for this ridiculous "backlash" has most definitely been sexism. Watch the several Youtube videos made by people claiming to be offering valid film criticism but having no other platform willing to host them, much less pay. You'll go about twenty seconds before you hear one of the following, "feminazi", "feminism", "feminist", "SJW", "liberal agenda".....
Nope.
Yes, there can be legitimate criticism of Rey's acquisition of powers and skills, and #NotAllMen who criticize that are insecure. But it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that many of the fans who make such criticisms are willing to overlook similar traits in earlier characters, and that there's a stronger criticism and frequently hostility and derision directed toward a female character who exhibits such traits than her male counterparts.
So that five minute lightsaber piñata Learning Annex course from Obi-Wan on the Falcon is all it takes to make a difference? Luke wasn't even aware of the existence of the Force until that morning, and had held a lightsaber once for ten seconds before that. Rey at least grew up with the stories of the Jedi and may have suspected that's why she was different and could feel and do the things she could, which made it easier to accept her growing powers when Han and Maz talked to her about the Force and Kylo Ren probed her mind. She also had to survive on a craphole planet by herself for years, which honed her fighting skills with the bo staff. Then she got instruction from Luke just as Luke got it from Yoda.
Yes, it was perhaps a little implausible that she bested Kylo Ren in lightsaber combat, but then consider that:
- Even Finn, with no Force powers or sword/staff training whatsoever, knicked him and was holding his own for a little while.
- He was severely wounded and in enormous pain.
- He was emotionally conflicted from just murdering his father.
- His planet buster super weapon was exploding beneath his feet and messing with his plans.
- He's probably sparred against Snoke's redshirts before, but Force weilding opponents maybe at a premium, if the other Knights of Ren are even still alive at this point. 'Ole Prunehead doesn't strike me as the lightsaber sparring type.
- His whole style is chaotic and impulsive anyway, and he's given to fits of rage and loss of control and concentration.
Given all that, I think it greatly improves Rey's chances. Plus, her victory was as much a battle of wills as it was a straight lightsaber fight, and her will is easily stronger.
Plus, you're making the assumption that Rey is not every bit as powerful and naturally intuitive in the Force as Anakin was as a.child. Like Rey he was a tinkerer who could assemble and repair and understand machines with ease. Like Rey he was a natural pilot. Like Rey he grew up with in a harsh desert environment where he often had to perforrm dangerous tasks to get by. And like Anakin she immediately came to the notice of Dark Side users who sought to turn her because she was incredibly strong in the Force as well.
The parallels between Anakin, Luke, and Rey's development are unmistakable.
These two in particular were practically spelled out for us... And if you closely watch TLJ's big light saber battle you will see Renn shown to possess far more skill than Ray.
And in that ten seconds, he managed to nearly cut Obi-wan’s face off whilst turning it on. Cos ‘blood borne talent.’
But yeah. Luke able to put up even a token fight against Vader on Bespin, totally made sense. I mean, it’s not like the movies completely failed to ever show Luke learning any sparring. That’s be silly, asking us to suspend disbelief and all.
Come to think of it...who taught Luke how to build his replacement lightsaber? Did he run back to Dagobah, tear apart Yoda’s for spare parts, and just ‘miss’ Yoda getting sick and visibly aging to death in front of him?
I must have missed the part in the films where Luke earned the ability to telekinetically bring his lightsaber back to himself while he was frozen upside down in the wampa's cave.
Then have a two minute conversation with Yoda which somehow equipped him to come back and comprehensively thrash Vader in the rematch?
He's a man, of course he can fix things.
Or, just as a remote and implausible alternative maybe he had an intuitive grasp of machines beyond that normally possible, which might under other circumstances have manifested as the ability to fly a spaceship without training? Such as an X Wing, or the Millenium Falcon
Oh that's easy, there were three years in between films where he could obviously just train himself, because that isn't at all an outlier compared to the capabilities of all the other Jedi who need intense tuition.....
Oh fuck it, why even bother with the sarcasm? It's because lots of the fans are sexist and that includes a fair few people posting in here.
Is anyone genuinely going to challenge that assertion?
Seriously?
I agree.
Since we never see him build it in the movie proper, I prefer to think that he found some dead Jedi’s remains and graverobbed that shit. Literally tore it out of cold dead hands.
After all, it’s what Han would do.
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Maybe he went to Obi-Wan's place where he found lightsaber parts and Jedi journals we saw in TLJ?
I think the main thing is that there was a gap where he could do something with someone. Now he might have spent the entire time gap sat eating cheetos and watching talk shows and reality t.v but there was a gap. No lightsabre swinging until after a gap, no mind control until after a gap.
