Well, other than the fact that it looks nothing like TOS. But I'm beating a dead horse here.
Is Discovery about to involve Time Travel and also Picard.
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Well, other than the fact that it looks nothing like TOS. But I'm beating a dead horse here.
well, TOS takes place a decade later, so why would it? A movie set in 1963 wouldn't look like a movie set in 1973 either
You've got the timing reversed. The two showrunners were fired *AFTER* the Enterprise showed up last season and they had already decided to include Spock.
https://www.inverse.com/article/436...-2-spock-confirmed-jonathan-frakes-flashbacks
Enterprise showed up in January 2018 in the season1 finale and Frakes confirms in April 2018 Spock will show up in the season 2 episode he directed (as a flashback because that's what is actually in his episode). Berg and friend were fired in June 2018. The inclusion of the Enterprise and Spock as a focal point of season 2 was decided way before the two showrunners were fired. It was just *confirmed* by Kurtzman in July 2018 at SDCC as part of the hype for season 2 but the decision itself and even news of it preceeded the firing.
If you watch DSC and then watch TOS, you'll have your answer.
Exactly. I don’t think they would just toss that line out there if they weren’t planning on picking it back up later on.
Especially considering how Star Trek has always loved to play with time travel.
stylistic changes that are suspected over the course of a decade
I'm surprised nobody is talking more about Tyler having the TNG comm badge. To me that and tachyons being together in the same episode are the big things that factor into my theory. Pike even verbally says something like "What kind of communicator is that?" so it's a tech he isn't familiar with.
Also this just came to me but we have heard talk about merging this show with the Kelvin Universe. I didn't give it much credence but now maybe I think I should. I don't think they would go so fr as wipe out the Prime universe because that would piss many fans off and hurt the Picard show because people are going to want to see Prime Picard and not some alternate version of him. I can see it leading maybe to the creation of another third universe where the show will now take place. Which is exactly what I and many were calling for from the start. New universe where you can play and fast and loose with canon just like the Kelvin Universe could. Maybe that universe has already been created which explains any differences such as Spock being Burnham's brother which you can sort of squeeze into the Prime Universe but it also can feel forced.
Jason
Also this just came to me but we have heard talk about merging this show with the Kelvin Universe. I didn't give it much credence but now maybe I think I should. I don't think they would go so fr as wipe out the Prime universe because that would piss many fans off and hurt the Picard show because people are going to want to see Prime Picard and not some alternate version of him. I can see it leading maybe to the creation of another third universe where the show will now take place. Which is exactly what I and many were calling for from the start. New universe where you can play and fast and loose with canon just like the Kelvin Universe could. Maybe that universe has already been created which explains any differences such as Spock being Burnham's brother which you can sort of squeeze into the Prime Universe but it also can feel forced.
Jason
Gosh, well in that case I hope we don’t go back to how things looked in the ‘60’s in 2029. I’ll have to buy all new clothes and furniture.
Kurtzman was the one who first mentioned Prime in relation to DSC IIRC, so probably not.
No I mean the lying about Spock stopped after they were fired.
Obviously he was always intended to show up.
There's no evidence that S31 has future tech. I'm sure it's pretty straightforward to put a communicator in a badge. Remember, by TMP, they're in fitbits / Apple watches.
Even if Kurtzman intended "Discovery" to be Prime there is no reason he might have simply changed his mind. Something I think was the case of bringing in Pike and Spock and the Enterprise. Maybe he was also forced by CBS. Plus I forget but was he aboard when Fuller came up with his original idea of each season being in a different time period? He might simply liked Fuller's idea and will simply modify it by now doing a new time period only with the same crew in a updated take on Fuller's idea.
Jason
Jason
Kurtzman didn't change anything. Discovery is in the Prime timeline.
I think we'll see Discovery heading to a future timeframe as shown in 'Calypso', probably as a season cliffhanger. Maybe the Red Angels tie into that some how?
Art by the legendary Al Williamson. Nice.I think it is...
The Sounds of Thunder title for the next episode, could be some kind of reference to this...
(Ray Bradbury's short story)
FYI, Disco already has already used Time Travel.
And the heroes took it on the stride the first time around, too. So Pike being cool with it doesn't mean it ought to be taken any more seriously than those other two candidates for tachyon traces, transporter activity and cloaking devices. It's just a common Star Trek phenomenon, familiar (to those who need to know) since the mid-2150s at the very least.
Tyler's commbadge could also be a mere Easter egg type thingy, a cute out-universe reference for the audience with zero in-universe implications.
Or then the S31 of DSC indeed is from the 24th century and Leland's loss of hair is foooooreshadowing for the moment when we learn the organization's mysterious Control character is Jean-Luc Picard and there's a Hair Directive for all operatives from Manager level up.
Timo Saloniemi
Tyler's commbadge could also be a mere Easter egg type thingy, a cute out-universe reference for the audience with zero in-universe implications.
Or then the S31 of DSC indeed is from the 24th century and Leland's loss of hair is foooooreshadowing for the moment when we learn the organization's mysterious Control character is Jean-Luc Picard and there's a Hair Directive for all operatives from Manager level up.
Timo Saloniemi
They say it's in the Prime universe as well. That's hard to believe given the sheer level of incongruity. and it makes more sense that DSC is in the same universe as the Kelvin movies.
Incongruity not involving set design differences, but characters' mannerisms and technology relative to the time period it alleges to be in.
Or there's some big disaster waiting that justifies all these technologies being lost, to the point it horrifies TOS Spock that he never brings up anything or anybody from the past. Apart from "The Cage". Which reminds me, along with the Genesis schematics, transwarp from ST III, transporters used to de-age people or used as a stasis field, etc, how many technologies every other Trek franchise came up then ditched... so DSC is acquitted in that regard.
Ditto for callbacks; the 80s movies and TNG had a few in there. We've just never seen future technology being a "callback". Or "callforward"? So in terms of callbacks, DSC is being innovative. Assuming people like callbacks being flaunted so garishly.
Nope.
Except the timeline of events doesn't add up. The Enterprise should be under construction at Riverside, there wasn't a war with the Klingons, and Spock should be working at the Academy right now.
