Is Anyone Else Worried?
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I worry that there's going to be a Weekend at Bernie's reboot starring Jonah Hill. As Bernie.
My only concerns are about the quality of the show, no issues with women in command (Voyager was how many years ago?) or gayness (which would have been progressive had they done it in the late 90's or even early noughties)
As for the war angle, I always said that if Enterprise had begun with the focus and energy of their third season (the one-ship war against the Xindi), they wouldn't have been cancelled. It doesn't have to be a war of course, but I'm glad they have a solid direction and game plan.
As for the war angle, I always said that if Enterprise had begun with the focus and energy of their third season (the one-ship war against the Xindi), they wouldn't have been cancelled. It doesn't have to be a war of course, but I'm glad they have a solid direction and game plan.
I think you're arguing against a straw man here. The OP didn't say the inclusion of capable women diminished men.
He/she believes there's a trend of misandry within so called "feminism" and is concerned about it manifesting itself on the show. You may disagree that it exists, but I think you're arguing against assertions that she/he didn't make.
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Hi, male feminist here, and, um, no. No. Just... just no. The goal of feminism is to put men and women (and non-binary people) on equal footing. It works to break down a patriarchal system that condemns women for stepping outside of traditional gender roles, while also tearing asunder the same rigid structures that make the excuse that men are not much more than base animals attached to their primal emotions, like lust, and greed. Feminism is about freedom, not hate. A rising tide lifts all ships.
I only read the first paragraph of the OP. This is one of those "I'm not a bigot but the idea of anyone other than white males in the lead terrifies me" deals isn't it?
Pass. And no, I'm not worried at all. Don't worry, be happy.
Pass. And no, I'm not worried at all. Don't worry, be happy.
I'm not worried in that I think the glass ceiling has already been broken. I don't understand there being a need to worry because if you do like Janeway then you know that Star Trek can give us a great role model who is just a great Captain. Not at the expense of a man or because she has to be female..but because she is the one the story has given the lead to. If Michael is the lead then so be it.
Worried? I find it astounding anyone equates the presence of women in command roles to feminist propaganda in 2017? How about the fact that women have been underutilized in many aspects of human culture and they're simply trying to show equal capability and presence? How is that feminist? Isn't that how normal progress should be? Didn't Gene Roddenberry attempt this (albeit in a tentative way) in the 60s?
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It sounds like you want all females to be caregivers. That's not the case in the real world, why should it be that way in fiction?
A show about a female who isn't a caregiver doesn't make it militant.
Oh boy.
I'm not overly happy about a lot of things about Discovery, from the unnecessary Sarek-connection, the rebooted klingons, the Discovery CGI model, to the generally uninspired dark grey look which is basically indestinguishable from VOY, ENT or Into Darkness, to the general lack of direction and coherent vision that comes from the creator walking away in the middle of creation, and the fact that Alex Kurtzman has run, like, three different franchises into the ground recently (Sony's The amazing Spiderman, The Mummy-Monster universe, and both the last JJTrek- and Transformers-movies he penned were the most panned by critics and fans, after which the next of each installments basically tanked at the box office).
At this point I pretty much expect the first season to have some major issues. Which would be par for the course, in some weird Trek tradition, as all newer series (TNG, DS9; VOY, ENT) had some weak first 1-2 seasons, but turned out very good or alright in the end.
But there is ONE thing I'm already, absolute, unambigously LOVING about Discovery:
And that's the female main duo: Burnham and Georgiou.
And a gay Trek main character has been more than overdue.
I'm not overly happy about a lot of things about Discovery, from the unnecessary Sarek-connection, the rebooted klingons, the Discovery CGI model, to the generally uninspired dark grey look which is basically indestinguishable from VOY, ENT or Into Darkness, to the general lack of direction and coherent vision that comes from the creator walking away in the middle of creation, and the fact that Alex Kurtzman has run, like, three different franchises into the ground recently (Sony's The amazing Spiderman, The Mummy-Monster universe, and both the last JJTrek- and Transformers-movies he penned were the most panned by critics and fans, after which the next of each installments basically tanked at the box office).
At this point I pretty much expect the first season to have some major issues. Which would be par for the course, in some weird Trek tradition, as all newer series (TNG, DS9; VOY, ENT) had some weak first 1-2 seasons, but turned out very good or alright in the end.
But there is ONE thing I'm already, absolute, unambigously LOVING about Discovery:
And that's the female main duo: Burnham and Georgiou.
And a gay Trek main character has been more than overdue.
I am going to take your thread with the good intentions you want to convey. However replace your words 'the cultural trend of feminism in our media etc' with these words 'the cultural trend of diversity in our media and how we think it isn't healthy and only promotes further racism, especially against white people'.
I am sure this is not your intention but for me as someone who falls into both categories - Female and Black, (shafted twice!) my first thoughts were 'shit, we cannot even catch a break on a not yet televised fictional tv show set 300 years from now.'
P.S There are moments when I wonder what would some white people do if tomorrow they woke up looking just like me and had to live in this Anglo Saxon Patriarchal society?????? My personal advice after you have stopped screaming and talked yourself out of jumping off the highest point in the land without a parachute or hand-glider
1. Find a good hair salon that can do braids, locs or weaves (if you must do the latter)
2. Accept that most black men love white women, (especially when the men are rich and famous)...move on, get over it. (Statistical fact based on British census)
3. Find a good department store with a make up counter that acknowledges that most black women do not have the skin tone of Mariah Carey and are closer in skin tone to Viola Davis and Mrs First Lady Michelle Obama.
4. You are at the bottom of the global beauty totem pole. Deal with it.
If you ever have this, (for you awful, for me very normal) experience then I can only say
Welcome to my world!
And no I am not worried at all!
(And we wonder why Picard looks down on humans from centuries past)
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A lot of good responses to a thread with a very questionable premise. Everything important has already been said, thanks guys. I'm glad this is how the forum at large reacts to such nonsense. Although I guess I'm deluding myself when I think posts of this kind are going to appear less once the series has started properly. 
I just realized Austin was talking about Trump.
I am not only not worried about Star Trek: Discovery's overt progressivism and feminism, I am excited by it!
The world is big and complex and there are lots of different kinds of people in it. It'll be nice to see a Star Trek show where the main character is a black woman for the first time, and it'll be nice to see the first canonical explicitly LGBT human characters.
The world is big and complex and there are lots of different kinds of people in it. It'll be nice to see a Star Trek show where the main character is a black woman for the first time, and it'll be nice to see the first canonical explicitly LGBT human characters.
There are many things in today's society that I am concerned about. Some of it I believe to be real, justifiable problems and some of it is my own issues to work through. Your example would not even make the list.
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