Is Amy Unhealthily Obsessed With The Doctor?

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

With all this denial, you'd think the TARDIS made a trip to Egypt.

 

[Checkmate]

Amy's not real. They're telling a story. Everything is put into the story for a reason.

Oh, you mean like Geoff? The attractive, single young man likely thrust into a position of strength and power courtesy of the Doctor, who was also told by the Doctor to get a girlfriend?

How about the total lack of any sexual love demonstrated by Amy, in any way, shape, or form, for the doctor? Oogling an attractive person is hardly obsessing over marrying them because you're oh-so-in love with them. And if you think guys are the only ones to oogle over the opposite sex, you're just flat out insane.

Is Amy obsessed with the Doctor? Definitely. But it's not necessarily (or even hinted at) as being anything even remotely romantic. Unless you're using the world to reflect to the idea of adventure and escapism, which you're clearl not.

To paraphrase your arrogance: LOL, whatever!

 

[Sci]

Amy's not real. They're telling a story. Everything is put into the story for a reason.

Oh, you mean like Geoff? The attractive, single young man likely thrust into a position of strength and power courtesy of the Doctor, who was also told by the Doctor to get a girlfriend?

How about the total lack of any sexual love demonstrated by Amy, in any way, shape, or form, for the doctor? Oogling an attractive person is hardly obsessing over marrying them because you're oh-so-in love with them. And if you think guys are the only ones to oogle over the opposite sex, you're just flat out insane.

Is Amy obsessed with the Doctor? Definitely. But it's not necessarily (or even hinted at) as being anything even remotely romantic. Unless you're using the world to reflect to the idea of adventure and escapism, which you're clearl not.

To paraphrase your arrogance: LOL, whatever!

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's right, the woman who grew up obsessed with the Doctor, who ran away with him before her wedding knowing she'd probably miss it because of it -- and what on Earth was wrong with the marriages you saw that you could possibly imagine a woman being bored the night before her wedding enough to run away with another man without having feelings for that man? -- and who stared at his naked body with a smirk on his face...

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing romantic there!

 

[Thestral]

I think on the one side you have some people that can't handle the idea of the Doctor being romantically involved with a companion and will brook no other possibility - they probably hated Rose's story too - and on the other side you have some people that are immediately jumping to the conclusion that Amy and the Doctor are going to be romantic partners - based on previous storylines and Moffat's other work - and will brook no other possibility.

These are different characters with their own stories; Amy's not Rose, and Eleven isn't Ten.

It's clear that Amy's at least appreciative of Eleven sexually, and it's clear that his brief appearance in her childhood had a huge effect on her growing up. And considering a lack of parents and little adult support, and the amazement of that one night when she was eight, that's no great surprise.

Meanwhile there's been no indication that Eleven's interested in Amy sexually/romantically, and in fact he still thinks of her as a little girl (hence his reaction to her being a kiss-o-gram).

I think the "fairytale" is something Moffat's going to be going for this season, and I personally would rather not see Amy and the Doctor end up either in a romance or in something unrequited. Not because I don't like romance in my Who, but because two of the three major companions we've had have gone down that road.

I do think Amy's attraction to the Doctor will be addressed, but it's more of a childhood crush and fantasy. This is King Arthur or Robin Hood we're talking about here, the man who saves the day and then disappears for years. It's telling that Prisoner Zero manifested as Amelia and the Doctor, not Amy and the Doctor. This is the dress-up, too - kid's games, not a sexual fetish. It's why she became a kiss-o-gram - become different people, become not herself, have some mystery and excitement and adventure like she missed out on when her Raggedy Doctor vanished.

And because rather than "fairytale" Disney's-Snow-White style, I think we'll be heading more in the "faerie tale" direction. Maybe not Pan's Labyrinth dark, but possibly (non-Disney) Peter Pan.

Besides, Moffat's already done the "man appears at different points in a woman's life and they have a relationship based on that" twice, in different ways. Once with Reinette (whose origin is very like Amy's except with much better support) and once with River Song, who's coming back this season. Girl in the Fireplace was lovely, but I'd like to think we're not going down that road again.

... who ran away with him before her wedding knowing she'd probably miss it because of it -- and what on Earth was wrong with the marriages you saw that you could possibly imagine a woman being bored the night before her wedding enough to run away with another man without having feelings for that man?

Who said anything about being bored? Maybe she's scared. Cold feet happen to a lot of people. Most of them don't have a time traveler in a blue box - who just happens to have been a part of your life since you were eight - show up on their doorstep offering to take them away.

Of course she has feelings for him. In the same way that Katie Holmes had feelings for Tom Cruise when she watched Top Gun as a little girl. Or the same way that I had feelings for Jadzia Dax when I was 10. If Jadzia Dax showed up on my doorstep now offering to take me on a journey, I'd probably listen. Granted I'm not getting married tomorrow, but I've also never met her before or needed four psychologists because of my obsession with her

-- and who stared at his naked body with a smirk on her face...

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing romantic there!

Fixed that for you. Staring at his naked body just means she finds him good-looking. And there was a bit of snark to that scene, a sense of "actually, this guy's finally showed back up, I'm old enough to enjoy this, so I'm going to." Just means that she appreciates the male form and she's not shy about it. Which, you know, isn't surprising based on her outfit.

You see romantic, I see a young woman wanting to live out her fantasy. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing even, but let's not suggest this means they're going to actually end up in a relationship.

 

[Checkmate]

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's right, the woman who grew up obsessed with the Doctor, who ran away with him before her wedding knowing she'd probably miss it because of it -- and what on Earth was wrong with the marriages you saw that you could possibly imagine a woman being bored the night before her wedding enough to run away with another man without having feelings for that man? -- and who stared at his naked body with a smirk on his face...

Not wanting to get married to someone != wanting to get married with the person facilitating her escape from a life of tedium. No matter how much you want to think that.

And, again, getitng a thrill looking an attractive person's body doesn't mean shit. If I saw a hot chick stripping down in front of me, I wouldn't turn away either. Does that mean I want to marry her? No. It means I'm a man with a healthy sexual appetite.

 

[Sci]

I think on the one side you have some people that can't handle the idea of the Doctor being romantically involved with a companion and will brook no other possibility - they probably hated Rose's story too - and on the other side you have some people that are immediately jumping to the conclusion that Amy and the Doctor are going to be romantic partners - based on previous storylines and Moffat's other work - and will brook no other possibility.

For my money, at the moment, I think it's unlikely that Amy and the Doctor will become romantic partners. Amy's obviously infatuated with him, but I'm not convinced it's a healthy infatuation, and after he's basically "left her" for years at a time twice now, I imagine she has trouble trusting him. (Though it's interesting that she didn't want him to know she was getting married.)

And as for the Doctor -- I don't think he's actually over his "I'll travel alone because it hurts too much to lose my friends" phase yet. I don't think he invited Amy aboard because he wanted to travel with her -- though I think he does. I think his primary reason for inviting her aboard was that he thinks there's a link between Amy and that crack in space-time that he found in her home -- as evidenced by the TARDIS scanner re-creating the exact same pattern as the crack made.

So, the interesting thing here is, neither one of them is being totally upfront with the other about why they're traveling together. Both are keeping secrets from each other.

Having said that, I still think Amy is completely infatuated with him and that it's absurd to pretend she has no romantic interest in him at all. (Seriously, in what possible world does a woman run away from her own wedding in the middle of the night with another man without having feelings for that other man? In what world is a wedding a sign of drudgery to be avoided?)

It's clear that Amy's at least appreciative of Eleven sexually, and it's clear that his brief appearance in her childhood had a huge effect on her growing up. And considering a lack of parents and little adult support,

Oh, I dunno about that. Her aunt might have been neglectful, but Amy seems to have had an entire community's worth of affectionate and supportive adults in her life, between Geoff's grandmother and the friendly old man who let her steal his car for a little bit.

It's telling that Prisoner Zero manifested as Amelia and the Doctor, not Amy and the Doctor. This is the dress-up, too - kid's games, not a sexual fetish. It's why she became a kiss-o-gram - become different people, become not herself, have some mystery and excitement and adventure like she missed out on when her Raggedy Doctor vanished.

Hmm. That's certainly a valid interpretation, but I can't say I agree on that one bit. It just doesn't feel intuitively right to me; I don't think she became a kissogram because of a desire for adventure, I think she became a kissogram for the same reasons anyone takes a sexually exploitive job: Money.

You see romantic, I see a young woman wanting to live out her fantasy. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing even, but let's not suggest this means they're going to actually end up in a relationship.

I never said they would -- I said that Amy has romantic feelings for the Doctor. I've made no claims about how mature her feelings are, nor did I claim they'd be in a relationship, nor did I claim it'd be "true love."

Though I maintain that I would be an interesting and new direction for Doctor Who to feature a committed Doctor/companion romantic relationship, I don't think such a story would be appropriate right now given what has been established about Amy's and the Doctor's motives. Right now, as much as Amy is infatuated with the Doctor, she's using him and he's using her.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's right, the woman who grew up obsessed with the Doctor, who ran away with him before her wedding knowing she'd probably miss it because of it -- and what on Earth was wrong with the marriages you saw that you could possibly imagine a woman being bored the night before her wedding enough to run away with another man without having feelings for that man? -- and who stared at his naked body with a smirk on her face...

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing romantic there!

Pretty much sums it up, yeah.