Poll Is age a factor in which season you prefer?

[fireproof78]

Bill Krause (AdmiralBuck here) has taken a lot of heat over the Titan-A design for being too 23rd century in a 25th century-based show, despite the fact that's apparently what the showrunners wanted. He's a decent guy, and an insanely talented model builder (interacted with him a lot back in the old ResinIlluminati days) and I sometimes think the ire directed at him from the fandom can be a bit over-the-top, as it often is in general with pretty much anything new and/or different in the franchise.

Sean Tourangeau experienced similar backlash for the preceding Luna-class Titan for being too much of an Akira clone, when it really wasn't.

It's okay to provide constructive criticism to express one's opinions, but vomiting emojis generally don't convey "constructive" to most folks.

IMO, of course... Just sayin'...

Well put.

 

[DonIago]

FWIW, I had no idea that we had a PIC VIP in here. If AdmiralBuck's still around, I hope he'll see that I found his modeling work very impressive even if I might not agree with all of the decisions made (but then, it sounds like he may not have agreed with all of the decisions he was forced to operate under either).

 

[Lord Garth]

I didn't need Generations or Nemesis "undone". I'd actually say that both are far better than anything Picard hacked up.

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As far as Shaw goes, he just shows how uninteresting the TNG gang actually are.

Well, just another thing we disagree about across any Star Trek that's not TOS. Situation Normal.

 

[Lord Garth]

FWIW, I had no idea that we had a PIC VIP in here. If AdmiralBuck's still around, I hope he'll see that I found his modeling work very impressive even if I might not agree with all of the decisions made (but then, it sounds like he may not have agreed with all of the decisions he was forced to operate under either).

Bill Krause (@AdmiralBuck here) has taken a lot of heat over the Titan-A design for being too 23rd century-looking in a 25th century-based show, among other things, despite the fact that's apparently what the showrunners wanted. He's a decent guy, and an insanely talented model builder (interacted with him a lot back in the old ResinIlluminati days and marveled over the progress photos on his original Shangri-La build) and I sometimes think the ire directed at him from the fandom can be a bit over-the-top, as it often is in general with pretty much anything new and/or different in the franchise.

Sean Tourangeau experienced similar backlash for the preceding Luna-class Titan for being too much of an Akira clone, when it really wasn't.

It's okay to provide constructive criticism to express one's opinions, but vomiting emojis generally don't convey "constructive" to most folks.

All IMO, of course... Just sayin'...

Unfortunately, this is an example of what I was talking about earlier about some people being driven off.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Uh huh. I guess I’m done here.

Wow, my hilarious off-hand quip sure seems a lot less funny today.

I didn't intend to offend the actual creator, especially considering the ridiculously high quality of the actual creation. I would've certainly been more tactful with my subjective opinions if I'd realised you were reading the thread.

 

[DonIago]

Unfortunately, this is an example of what I was talking about earlier about some people being driven off.

I have to disagree. This isn't "people", this is someone who actually worked on the show, and understandably, the issue seems to have been that the design of the ship he created was attacked, which is at best tangential to the original point of this thread.

If I was him, I might feel the same way.

 

[Tosk]

If I was him, I might feel the same way.

I probably would too. No one really enjoys criticism.

...But I would hopefully also try to remember that the person was just stating their honest opinion, unaware that they were speaking to the artist responsible.

 

[BillJ]

Apologies, @AdmiralBuck.

I had explained my criticisms of the design in other threads (and Facebook). After a while, it can become monotonous to have to restate the same things over and over again. I did like the nacelle pylons on the design.

 

[The Wormhole]

Sean Tourangeau experienced similar backlash for the preceding Luna-class Titan for being too much of an Akira clone, when it really wasn't.

It amuses me how many people confuse the Luna class with the Akira class to the point that one of the novels in the Titan series actually used an Akira on the cover instead and it wasn't until the cover image was released publicly and all the fans were all "hey, wait a minute..." prompting a last minute correction. Indeed, the correction was so last minute that Pocket Books folk who post here weren't sure if a correction was even possible at that stage.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I probably would too. No one really enjoys criticism.

...But I would hopefully also try to remember that the person was just stating their honest opinion, unaware that they were speaking to the artist responsible.

It reminds me of a lesson I once learned in an art gallery, when looking at an exhibition of photography.

Stupider, younger me was looking at the works on display and I said to my girlfriend at the time… ‘Well, this is nothing special. Anyone could have taken these pictures’.

A voice came from behind me, not an unfriendly voice…

‘Well, ‘anyone’ didn’t take the pictures… I did…’

Wow. Shit, the photographer was right behind me, but she was kind enough and patient enough to explain to me exactly why she’d framed the shots she had taken and why she’d done them like that.

I learned a lot that day.

 

[Tosk]

I learned a lot that day.

To look behind you.

But yeah, it's cool that the artist didn't get overly snippy and engaged you regarding their choices. Not that I'd expect them to of course, but it is nice.

I've said some pretty unkind things about PIC in general. And I'll say them again, but I wouldn't knowingly say them right to the face of the people responsible unless asked to.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

To look behind you.

Also, make sure the artist is dead before you go mouthing off.

It's really the only way to be sure.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Also, make sure the artist is dead before you go mouthing off.

It's really the only way to be sure.

Calls off nukes from orbit.

 

[FederationHistorian]

As someone who was under 35 when both seasons aired and is over 35 now, S1.

S1 was building off where Trek left off from the TNG films, along with DS9, VOY and ST’09. To a very limited extent, it was building off of ENT as well, in terms of the adult direction in all seasons of that show, and how the Romulans were developed in that show. PIC was the first Trek to premiere after DIS, a show that in its earlier season was appealing largely to critics and alienating to the fanbase. And was the first time Picard appear on screen in eighteen years at that point.

So, it was intriguing to see what would be produced. And while the season was met with mixed reviews, at least dared to continue the story of Picard in a different direction that what fans would have wanted. It still dealt with exploration, and the human condition, but got out from being from the perspective of Starfleet. Focusing on a Picard that was elderly and out of Startfleet, both still mourning the loss of his friend Data and the Romulan supernova disaster, but still had something left to contribute, and found a new crew that was literally the next generation, along with a couple of potential surrogate children, was a very interesting direction. It felt original.

S3 was basically building off of the previous two seasons of PIC, seasons that were not met with acclaim by all, and was basically an experiment to see what a TNG film would look like as a TOS film. But when thinking about the plot, its basically Admiral Picard and Captain Riker acting like Admiral Pressman from “The Pegasus” to go on The Search for Beverly and get caught up in a Khitomer-level conspiracy masterminded by Khan-level villains. Shaw, despite supposedly behaving like Captain Styles, is actually Captain Picard in this situation. And Seven is Commander Riker. All that was missing was a shoehorned adventure to the holodeck to see Trip Tucker get blown up for no reason.

And while I do appreciate the TOS-like conflict among the crew, Dominion War follow up, the quiet retcon of TATV with the NX refit, and that for Khan level villains, the Borg Queen, Vadic and the Changelings were more justified than Shinzon and the Remans, the honeymoon phase was over by the time S3 rolled around. I was more critical of the flaws of the season by this point. And a big one was regarding the absence of the S1 characters. I did like the characters we were introduced to from that season and I don’t know what the background bridge characters of Mura, Esmar and T’Veen brought to the show that could not have done by Elnor and Soji.

 

[Anduinel]

Over 35 and prefer S1. I'm still majorly salty over some of S1's choices (see signature), but it introduced a cast of characters I really enjoyed, a couple of them in my top 10 of "want to see more of". S3 I'd probably knock down a few rungs just for Jack Crusher and Shaw's predictable non-redemption.

 

[bdub76]

Season One felt like a much darker version of TNG. Season Three felt like lots of fan service with some loose threads wrapped up. Not sure which one I liked better. I would have preferred one story through all three seasons, rather than a new story each season.

TNG aired when I was in high school and beginning of university. I like TNG less now as an adult than when it first aired. But I still enjoyed Picard.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I'm curious to see whether I can turn up any evidence that the age of the individual has any bearing on whether they tended to prefer S1 or S3 of PIC. I'm not including S2 as it seems to be the general consensus that S2 is weaker than the other two (no offense to those who consider it the best season!).

My vote: I'm over 35 and I prefer S1.
I like all 3 seasons, but I find S2 a step down from S1 and 3. For me, S1 and 3 are equally good, but if I have to pick, I choose S1. Picard literally died for what he believed in, finding 2nd life in having been revived as a synth, Picard 2.0. There was so much going on this season, it was a lot of fun. S2 is bizarro world and CSI: Picard. S3 is moody broody in a dark ship for 10 hours.

 

[TroiFan4ever]

I'm 34 and I voted Season 3. I know Season 3 catches a lot of slack for relying too heavily on TNG nostalgia but let's be real here: the Enterprise D reveal was perfectly executed. Plus, I like how in the thread about that, one user describes how poetic it was that the Enterprise D was the first ship to encounter the Borg was not only the last to do so but also was the ship to permanently eradicate the Borg. Seeing the Enterprise D take flight for one final mission took me back to my childhood days of watching TNG on TV. Aside from all that however, PIC Season 3 did a good job of giving the TNG gang a better send-off than even NEM did! So for those reasons I personally consider S3 the best of the three. I just regret the notion that it being a great season was contingent on fanservice.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I'm 34 and I voted Season 3. I know Season 3 catches a lot of slack for relying too heavily on TNG nostalgia but let's be real here: the Enterprise D reveal was perfectly executed. Plus, I like how in the thread about that, one user describes how poetic it was that the Enterprise D was the first ship to encounter the Borg was not only the last to do so but also was the ship to permanently eradicate the Borg. Seeing the Enterprise D take flight for one final mission took me back to my childhood days of watching TNG on TV. Aside from all that however, PIC Season 3 did a good job of giving the TNG gang a better send-off than even NEM did! So for those reasons I personally consider S3 the best of the three. I just regret the notion that it being a great season was contingent on fanservice.

Nostalgia means very little to me, but I otherwise agree mostly with what you said. I do remember getting pulled out of the episode, though. I'm thinking, the Ent-D was destroyed, saucer not deemed salvageable, what am I looking at? The Enterprise-D went from realistic to CGI because kewl. The Borg aren't eradicated. The Juratti-Borg are about and about. Various isolated Borg ships have survived. We don't know what happened to the thousands of Borg planets. However, the episode does represent the final fall of the Borg Queen, if you're not counting Juratti-Queen.

 

[DonIago]

This poll hasn't really yielded the kinds of data that I anticipated.

The lack of any significant involvement of the Jurati Borg in a season in which the Borg (again, sigh) play a prominent role as an antagonist is one of the points against the season for me.

Given the maneuvers the E-D ends up engaging in, frankly it would have made a lot more sense for them to take the Defiant, especially since it was also established as being right there.