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Interstellar trailer

Well I didn't mean it as just a dig at the JJ movies. I've always been frustrated at how the movies and series never really made proper use of the incredibly compelling premise at the heart of the show-- of venturing into the depths of space in a fantastic starship and exploring strange new worlds, and how truly exciting and mindblowing such an experience would truly be.

Instead space in Trek is nothing but a backdrop for ship battles, alien possession stories, political intrigue, and relationship drama. Which can all be done really well, such as in DS9. But I would still love to see a series or movie that had a real sense of danger and exploration about it (like what comes across so well in the Interstellar trailers), and didn't need to rely only on threats from bumpy headed aliens of one kind or another.
No, you're right. Trek on film has been moving in that direction almost from the start. JJtrek is simply the inevitable result of steadily dumbing it down.

Trek has always been that way from the day it premiered in '66.

Yeah, star trek exploration stories usually boil down to beam down, get in trouble with natives, solve trouble with liberal uses of violence, beam back to ship and leave.

I don't get why people think they were like what Interstellar is looking like its going to be.
 
No, you're right. Trek on film has been moving in that direction almost from the start. JJtrek is simply the inevitable result of steadily dumbing it down.

The stuff I've seen you profess to like is not one whit more intelligent than the Abrams Trek films; it's simply viewed through a nostalgic filter.
Like your opinion says anything particularly when you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Yeah, star trek exploration stories usually boil down to beam down, get in trouble with natives, solve trouble with liberal uses of violence, beam back to ship and leave.

I don't get why people think they were like what Interstellar is looking like its going to be.

Avatar and Forbidden Planet are better movies about exploring alien worlds than all of Star Trek over its fifty-year history. Trek is not really about that sort of thing, despite using sf pulp tropes about space exploration quite liberally.
 
Yeah I don't know if I would confine it to one planet a season or anything like that. I would just put much more of an emphasis on the exploration aspect, and maybe have them explore places that actually feel somewhat unique and alien.

But the point is that it wouldn't be confining. How many hundreds of years did it take to explore Earth's surface fully? And even today, we've barely begun to chart the ocean depths. Sci-fi TV has brainwashed audiences to believe the lie that a planet is a single, tiny, uniform place with only one climate, one city, one culture, and one language. That's a ridiculous, totally artificial oversimplification. A planet is an immense and complicated place -- just look around at the one we're on. A single, plausibly developed alien world could host multiple distinct cultures as different from each other as, say, Ferengi are from Klingons, even though they're the same species. And it could host a whole range of different climates and environments as distinct as Tatooine and Hoth (which, of course, are just based on different regions on our own planet). A series that spends a whole season on one planet could really explore the true vastness and complexity of an entire world rather than dumbing it down to a single monolithic neighborhood. The characters could get involved in the ongoing politics and cultural conflicts between the planet's different nations or classes or religions, and really develop the world in-depth -- as well as having the opportunity for a wide range of adventures in the planet's various natural environments -- jungle, mountains, ocean, you name it.


Of course the problem is Trek technology makes exploration so incredibly easy and convenient, since you can scan the entire planet from orbit and beam up to the ship the second there's any real emergency. So that kind of makes it harder to create any real sense of drama.

I've never understood the glib assumption that the only conceivable way to create drama is by putting lives in danger. No -- that's just the crudest way to do it. A better way is to get the characters invested enough in the lives of the people on the planet that they don't want to just run away from their problems. And that's something that would be more likely to happen if they stuck around for a while. Or if they get involved in the cultural clashes, then the drama could come from the moral and philosophical dilemmas they might face. Enterprise's "Dear Doctor" is a good example. That's a whole episode where there's no violence, no fighting, no mortal danger to the cast, just a challenging moral question arising from their interaction with the natives of the planet they visit. Imagine if they didn't just wash their hands of the moral issue after 42 minutes and move on to the next thing, but stuck around to see the impact of their actions.
 
Christopher;10191316I've never understood the glib assumption that the only conceivable way to create drama is by putting lives in danger. No -- that's just the crudest way to do it. A better way is to get the characters invested enough in the lives of the people on the planet that they don't [I said:
want[/I] to just run away from their problems. And that's something that would be more likely to happen if they stuck around for a while. Or if they get involved in the cultural clashes, then the drama could come from the moral and philosophical dilemmas they might face. Enterprise's "Dear Doctor" is a good example. That's a whole episode where there's no violence, no fighting, no mortal danger to the cast, just a challenging moral question arising from their interaction with the natives of the planet they visit. Imagine if they didn't just wash their hands of the moral issue after 42 minutes and move on to the next thing, but stuck around to see the impact of their actions.

The advantage that Enterprise had was that there was no Prime Directive, which would now prevent a crew from interacting with a planet's politics. You could have some good aventures, but the drama would rather limited.
 
Can't wait for Interstellar.

I already purchased my tickets for the 70mm IMAX showing. Also, I highly recommend if you're going to see the film to see the film in IMAX. Like Gravity, it's going to be an incredibly immersive experience that you'll want to witness on the biggest screen humanly possible. Especially since Interstellar was (partially) conceived, shot and now presented in the IMAX format.

As for Star Trek, I also wish the franchise explored the darkness and danger of exploring strange new worlds - however I feel like J.J. Abrams' 2009 movie did a decent job at showing just how dangerous, dark and scary outer space can be. McCoy even has a line about it. The previous Trek movies and shows might have eschewed that in favor of interpersonal dynamics, political drama, ship battles etc. but it is hard to maintain that over the course of a long-running show. After ten movies and five television shows, Star Trek was becoming a bit stale - which is why we got Abrams' reinvention, which I thought revitalized Trek a good deal.

I will say that after Star Trek 3 that I hope we get a new television series that does return the franchise to its roots. In my opinion, Star Trek has always been best when it is a televised, episodic series that can explore topics in greater detail, such as the human condition, philosophy, other alien species and so on and so forth. Especially after the Battlestar Galactica reboot, which in my opinion was a fantastic sci-fi show that really delved into some meaty topics. Although, I think Trek should be a bit more optimistic than that show (I know the showrunner, Ronald Moore, wanted to go darker during his time on Trek but felt restrained).

Anyway, back to Interstellar. Like I said, I am really excited for the movie. I love the use of practical effects. I can't remember the last sci-fi film in the last couple years that I really liked. Duncan Jones' Moon comes to mind and that was a few years ago. Danny Boyle's Sunshine was a decent sci-fi movie for the first half and then became a meandering horror movie midway through. I really want a thought-provoking, visually breathtaking sci-fi movie that explores some intriguing big ideas and I think Interstellar is going to be that. I can't wait.
 
My dream format for a new Trek series would be to devote an entire season to each planet being explored. An exploration mission wouldn't just be dropping in and dealing with one situation in one part of the planet, it'd be an in-depth, months-long survey of the whole planet, studying multiple different cultures and environments, getting a sense of the whole world with all its diversity.

That's why the novel Dyson Sphere needs to be filmed as a series. Great eye candy...lots to explore. Relics just wasn't enough.
 
My dream format for a new Trek series would be to devote an entire season to each planet being explored. An exploration mission wouldn't just be dropping in and dealing with one situation in one part of the planet, it'd be an in-depth, months-long survey of the whole planet, studying multiple different cultures and environments, getting a sense of the whole world with all its diversity.

That's why the novel Dyson Sphere needs to be filmed as a series. Great eye candy...lots to explore. Relics just wasn't enough.

As much fun as it was to see Scotty again in "Relics," I was pissed that the episode wasted the Dyson Sphere on Scotty's "fish out of water" story. TNG could've spent weeks on the Dyson Sphere, yet the Enterprise crew treats it as a "ho-hum." What a wasted opportunity.
 
Once I learned about the real Dyson Sphere concept, I felt the same way.
 
My dream format for a new Trek series would be to devote an entire season to each planet being explored. An exploration mission wouldn't just be dropping in and dealing with one situation in one part of the planet, it'd be an in-depth, months-long survey of the whole planet, studying multiple different cultures and environments, getting a sense of the whole world with all its diversity.

Perhaps have that not as the explicit mission, but have the crew/team stranded there with no ready means of leaving or knowable expectation of when they might be found. They are there because they have to be and quickly find that they have no choice but to be immersed in the variety of existence on this planet. If executed with care and vision, maybe the audience can be made to largely forget the putative drama of their being rescued.

As for Interstellar, I just posted in another thread that I have pretty much completely fallen off from viewing movies over the last number of years. Well, this one might prove to be the impetus to turn that around. At least a little bit....
 
Perhaps have that not as the explicit mission, but have the crew/team stranded there with no ready means of leaving or knowable expectation of when they might be found. They are there because they have to be and quickly find that they have no choice but to be immersed in the variety of existence on this planet. If executed with care and vision, maybe the audience can be made to largely forget the putative drama of their being rescued.

Yeah, but that makes it an anomaly, an exception to the normal pattern, but the point of my proposal is that it should be the normal pattern. It is ridiculous to suggest that exploring an entire planet is something that can be done in three or four days, when we've been systematically exploring this planet we're on for centuries and still don't have a complete picture of it. Going to a different planet every week isn't exploration -- it's window-shopping.

I've always figured that the big capital ships like the Enterprise can't be the end-all and be-all of the exploratory process -- that they're just doing the preliminary surveys, basically scouting out worlds that are worth examining in more depth, and that Starfleet then sends dedicated science teams to spend months or years, as necessary, getting to know a world in detail. What I want is a show about one of those in-depth followup teams, the people who do the real science rather than the dilettantish bouncing around that's laughably passed off as "exploration" in most Trek.
 
I guess I was just riffing on the idea of each season of such a series presenting a different aspect of the Starfleet/Federation zeitgeist, probably not interlocking at all, and perhaps to stand the expected raison d'etre of our familiar future stand-ins being recovered from an unknown and likely hostile world on its head, we make their year of discovery and illumination the focus.


Thinking about it a bit more, working from such a premise, I think your idea makes more sense. Instead of playing with the audience by presenting a false teaser of this specific storyline's endgame, a MacGuffin if you will, simply present the plot as the standard, quotidian work and pursuit of this group of experienced professionals. Nothing exceptional, except in what they discover about the universe and, of course, the human condition. :)


Second season, say a year in the life of a Trill ambassador on Qo'noS, or some such nonsense, with some overarching context provided on the machinations going on between the Empire, the Feds, Romulans, etc. Eh, just a thought.
 
For it to work as a series, you need eye candy--and a Dyson sphere with Pandora level beauty will give you just that. This demands CGI.

If anything, a Dyson sphere setting is a perfect stage for cross-overs to other sci-fi properties as I see it. The Relics Dyson Sphere has near Time Lord tech on it.

A Dyson swarm is what a real sphere would be--but this thing is neutronium and has artificial gravity all along its entire envelope--or at least a good deal of it. Move to the poles, and gravity lessons--so animals grow bigger--should the sphere rotate.
 
Be interesting to see what the movie is actually about (beyond the general theme).

Put simply (and apologies if this has already been explained) the movie is about Earth facing a massive famine and overpopulation, and the need for humanity to find a new home. A FTL ship has been constructed, and McConeghy's character is one of the pilots of the ship on a mission to find a new home for humanity.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that whole thing felt totally American-centric. I know yanks have a hard time grasping that they're not the centre of all creation so it may not have been intentional, but from an outside perspective, those images mixed with those words have a certain jingoistic ring to them.

If the Europeans want to see less 'jingoistic' sci-fi films as made in the USA (how a shot of a farmer in cornfields is jingoistic, I as a Canadian don't know) then they have to step up their game and start making more movies like Interstellar and less of what they usually do. What happened to all those great sci-fi films that were made in England and Europe during the 1950's and 1960's, and why did you all stop making them?
 
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^Chilling. Government-approved textbooks teaching the party line.
Yeah, yet I like his answer. I'm so looking forward to this movie.

Of course there's also the disconnect. If we don't know how to get to the moon then how can we even start to think about building a FTL spacecraft?
 
^Well, the spacecraft isn't FTL; it's the wormhole that provides that. But evidently somebody on Earth has retained the knowledge despite the party line in the US (which presumably is where the characters are, given the accents).
 
My big concern about this film is mixing the hard 2001-esque sci fi concepts of time, worholes, black holes etc, with the overwrought sentimentality of the Earth scenes. I don't think the mixture of these two separate genres can work. 2001 is a classic because it observed humanity as if looking at it from afar as if into a fishbowl.

Apollo 13 was one of the greatest film evr made... and I wouldn't dare suggest any scenes from that film be cut, but every time I rewatch it, these scenes I most want to be over quickly is the wives crying and sobbing. There, in that is essential that we saw that, and even still, it didn't quite mesh with the ingenuity and teamwork of everyone involved to bring the crew home. Nolan could have written any story he wanted to, and it looks like this one will go down in flames because overwrought sentimentality can't really mix with real science fiction.
 
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7X1ntOgL70[/yt]

Clip from the movie.

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