Insurrection: Snore fest

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by WarpFactorZ, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. Orange Crusher

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    Why couldn't the Son'a and the Ba'ku just have shared the planet? There were only 600 Ba'ku. Just leave them alone in their little village and let the Son'a immigrate to other parts of the planet.

    The Ba'ku could be alotted their own sovereign zone/country. Even with billions of Son'a immigrants it might be hundreds of years before any contact or conflict might be made between the two.

    I don't believe this possibility is ever discussed in the film even though it's the most obvious solution to the conflict.

    Still, I like the film better than First Contact (don't hate me) and Nemesis. It isn't overly dark nor does it inundate the viewer with the show' s mythology.

    My biggest problem with INS is the above mentioned plot hole and the fact that we don't get to know more of the Ba'ku.
     
  2. Smellmet

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    Agree in principal but don't they say that the Son'a are too far gone for natural exposure to the planet's radiation to help them in time, hence the need for the collector?

    Agree to disagree on this. I found FC and NEM to be way more entertaining than INS, which I rank as the second worst Trek film of them all behind TFF.
     
  3. suarezguy

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    The Ba'ku seemed willing to, and Picard favored that happening, but, and this should have been explained more, the Son'a weren't, didn't want to live in that section of space.
     
  4. USS Firefly

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    I thought that the Son'a needed a higher doses of the radiation to reverse their aging, that is why they where trying to use the collector
     
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  5. Kilana2

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    TNG had more entertaining and movie-like episodes than Insurrection, which is the worst TNG movie for me.
     
  6. Smellmet

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    The movie is bogged down with pretentious preachy crap, and was poorly executed, with by far the worst visual effects in the TNG films, it's almost like it forgot that it was a big screen sci fi movie. I'd even watch the deeply flawed generations over it, and that's saying something.
     
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  7. Kilana2

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    The Best of Both Worlds would have been a better movie - but we already have First Contact, my favorite TNG movie!
     
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  8. USS Firefly

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    Or yesterday's Enterprise
     
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  9. Kilana2

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    This episode should have been longer and featured additional scenes.....
     
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  10. suarezguy

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    According to Dougherty only some of them while the rest would by just living there normally.

    The television show was also often preachy, and was and is resented for that, although I agree the execution was bad, much, much worse than most of the series.
     
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  11. DonIago

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    To the best of my recollection, we have no idea how the Son'a or Baku would have felt about them settling on the far side of the planet because it never actually came up as a discussion point (most of the reasons I can come up with for why that might have been don't reflect favorably on the screenplay), beyond the fact that it wouldn't help at least some of the Son'a. Dougherty seems to dismiss it out of hand. Them's some good admiral'ing.

    However, assuming Ruafo was left in charge of the Son'a, do we really think they would have stayed on their side of the planet in any case? I guess that depends on whether you believe he really was just interested in what was best for his people at the beginning of the film and his patience was exhausted, or whether he was looking for vengeance on the Baku from the get-go.

    That Dougherty confronted Ruafo without even a token security guard at his side was also deeply stupid.

    The whole thing seems like an internal conflict Starfleet shouldn't have even been involved in from the beginning. Of course, Starfleet didn't realize that at first, so if Picard was thinking clearly, the moment the link between the Son'a and the Baku was revealed Picard should have told them, "Oh, sorry, we thought you were two separate races. Given that this is an internal matter, Starfleet will be happy to withdraw from the Briar Patch while you work out your differences."
     
  12. Discofan

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    The thing that really gets me in that movie is the ridiculous arrogance of the Baku Luddites... What a bunch of smug assholes!
     
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    And Picard no longer listens to classical music... Next thing you know he's gonna speed drive like crazy in the dunes while laughing like a moron!
     
  14. DonIago

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    Hey, they're not just any Luddites, they're Luddites who managed to exile the Son'a before...though sadly how they did so and why they even need Our Heroes' help this time around is never made clear.
     
  15. USS Firefly

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    No that would NEVER happen.... ;)
     
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  16. Delta Geminorum

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    All I remember is Worf's gigantic zit.
     
  17. Discofan

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    Gorch... Even the name is gross!
     
  18. Armus

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    When I rewatched INS I liked it more than I remember. I enjoyed the first hour. The ending kills the movie. It's a big who cares. It's like a bloated mediocre season cliffhanger with some forgettable obligatory starship battles that mean nothing to no one. The script needed a massive rewrite.
     
  19. Kilana2

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    It was great - as advertisement for breast lifting..... and I like the following scene:

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  20. Discofan

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    It's pretty clear by her arm's motion that she knows how to swim, btw.