Insurrection: Snore fest

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by WarpFactorZ, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

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    Just caught the last 30 minutes of Insurrection on the teletube. Hadn't seen it in a while. Sheesh -- what a boring film! Bad dialogue, stiff acting, slow plot. Horrible VFX to boot. The windows on the Enterprise look painted on, even though it's CGI. The film is like one of those lame episodes that you sit through in hopes that next week's will be better.

    This movie was slightly better when it was remade as Star Trek Beyond.
     
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  2. Smellmet

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    Beyond is a million times better than Insurrection. Agree on the other points though. What a bland, disappointing waste of a Trek movie.
     
  3. DonIago

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    At least INS raises an ethical dilemma, though I find its presentation rather flawed.
     
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    yep remember seeing the STB trailers with the crew captured and rounded up/doing battle on the rocky planet with similar looking 'aliens' and thinking just looked 'Insurrection'.. and then seeing the movie with Kralls fountain of youth/rejuvenation thing and the twist of them being revealed to actually be humans who felt rejected by their people and now want revenge was i like 'oh no they really have gone 'Insurrection':angryrazz:
     
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  5. suarezguy

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    Or that you criticize even though you didn't really sit through it ;).

    To each their own but to me it always feels weird, and almost always quite a bit less entertaining, to watch a movie not from the beginning.

    I thought the action was overdone yet underwhelming, the dialogue and acting at least OK.
     
  6. mos6507

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    I think what's most responsible for giving certain Trek films a tv-episode feel is the lack of character arcing. Beyond, Insurrection, and Trek V all have limited character arcs.
     
  7. DonIago

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    I'm not seeing the lack of character arcs in Beyond, but I guess YMMV.
     
  8. WarpFactorZ

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    I sat through the whole thing when it premiered in theatres. Thought the same thing then. Once was enough!
     
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  9. Tenacity

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    The interesting back story was the movie's saving grace. And the "correct interpetation" wasn't shoved down the audience's throats, it's obvious from threads on Insurrection that who is on the ethical right side of history is a choice.

    Didn't think Beyond was a snore fest, but I did think it would have been better with a faster pacing in the movies mid-section. Deleving more into Captain Krack's beef with Humanity would have made the movie a bit deeper, especially if he had a legitimate reason for his views that Kirk and company could acknowledge.

    Instead of being basically a crazy villain.
     
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    It's more fun if you mess with the dialog.

    How many licks does it take, Admiral, to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million? How many licks does it take, Admiral??

    Kor
     
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    Insurrection made the greatest mistake and committed the greatest sin you can commit: Purposefully aiming to have your multi-million dollar sci-fi adventure movie be mediocre uneventful fluff. As a result, it's a 50-million dollar major motion picture that is less interesting or memorable than 3/4 of the one-hour $1.5M each television episodes it was based upon. It's the only Trek movie I actively dislike.



    Agreed, and similarly Trek V was weak in many ways, but certainly not character arcs. Trek V was a very good character film.
     
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  12. Leathco

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    I also think Beyond was a much better film, but I still like Insurrection. I hated it when it first came out though, because it was a step down from First Contact. However, it seems the closest to a TNG episode style movie we ever got. It still has its problems though. Picard comes off as a huge hypocrite to anyone who knows TNG, as he took part in a forced relocation in the show. Also, the joystick for the Enterprise felt corny to me. I didn't like the forced romance with Picard, and I didn't like how we brought out the "all Fed admirals are evil" trope. However, the twist with the two alien species being the same species was great, and seeing Data go wild was fun. The Captains Yacht stuff was a nice touch.
     
  13. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    One more love interest whom Picard will never return to.

    It was too spoon-fed from start to finish. The Baku were idealized, beautiful, artistic, in balance with nature. The Sona were pretty much the opposite, so we know who we’re supposed to root for. But if the Baku had been like the Sona and tearing up the planet for their own gain, the entire moral argument would’ve been flipped. It’s only because the Baku are idealized that they somehow need to be defended at all costs.
     
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    He was, for the sake of preventing a war from restarting, reluctantly willing to do it, even did start to do it, and yet ended up avoiding doing it, he came up with and achieved an alternative.
     
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    Yet it can still hold your attention ten times better than Nemesis.

    I certainly could have done without both boob jokes.
     
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    For all their faults and built in evil, it was the Son'a who ultimately were going to be instrumental in spreading the health benefits of the particles to billions of people.
     
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  17. X24actor

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    I initially liked it a lot. Not now. It is one of two Trek movies I do not own.

    My main gripe is the "ethical dilemma" and the lack of stakes raised. Once the inhabitants were outed as technologically advanced, they should have started negotiations with the Federation. Or that should have been the trigger point for the bad guys to try and launch a full out annihilation. Anyway, it's confusing to me and it doesn't feel right for some reason
     
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  18. Smellmet

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    Nah. At least Nemesis actually felt like a movie and had decent stakes. I can't think of a single thing about Insurrection that was better than Nemesis.
     
  19. DonIago

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    I didn't feel NEM really had stakes... I might have felt that way if the film had focused on the actual Romulans and had avoided built-in reset buttons...
     
  20. Armus

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    I disliked several things about Insurrection. Aside from being boring, its premise was obvious and contrived. Insurrection was a lame attempt to recapture the magic of TNG with "ethical dilemmas" and Picard making a bold stand against injustice. There is no great drama if there are no personal stakes for Picard and the moral obligation to disobey orders is clear. The bad aliens were decrepid and I actually felt sorry for them. The peaceful ruddy aliens were too idealized. I also thought the Admiral's death scene was nasty and gratuitous. All I remember from INS is that scene plus Riker and Troi taking a bath together. Something about Insurrection never smelled right.:thumbdown:
     
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