Insurrection; GUILTY!
- Thread starter RobertScorpio
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Which does not change the fact that Star Trek 3 had much more of an insurrection in it than Star Trek: Insurrection did.
By the way, are you saying Uhura would not have been allowed on the bridge if TOS had taken place in the 19th Century? How is that relevant?
Chekov's torpedo trigger didn't necessarily look like a joystick, though. Riker's, on the other hand, was immediately recognizable as an off-the-shelf computer joystick.
(I'm sure someone will be along to write a ten-page in-universe explanation of why it merely resembled a common, mass-produced computer input device from the 1990s, and was actually an intricately complex piece of Federation technology.
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(I'm sure someone will be along to write a ten-page in-universe explanation of why it merely resembled a common, mass-produced computer input device from the 1990s, and was actually an intricately complex piece of Federation technology.
)Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Does not matter, it is still a stick and equally cheesy
Insurrection was the first Trek movie I ever saw up on the big screen when I was 14. Wasn't that impressed. The OP is right. It was a HUGE climb-down from the soaring heights attained by First Contact. A bland film with a TV-type concept that was, as many have argued previously, inferior to many of the storylines features in the 1987-1994 TV series. A big disappointment that led directly to the mess that was Nemesis. You see, I figure it worked out like this: Insurrection was deemed too slow and talky by the studio execs, so they decided to make the next movie an action film. There are things I liked about Nemesis. The battle sequence in the Nebula, though derivative of TWOK, makes for some exciting entertainment. But the plot was retarded. And it all points back to Insurrection, because after the writers had gone to so much trouble to construct such an elaborate (albeit lame) plot and them seen it all blow up in their faces, the producers of Nemesis decided to focus most of their efforts on action, to the exclusion of almost everything else.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Insurrection is good, it is hard to top a movie like First Contact, so to follow that Insurrection is awesome and is more like a TNG story and a lot of fun to watch
RobertScorpio
Pariah
My point is that the drop off from KHAN to SEARCH FOR SPOCK isn't as bad as from FIRST CONTACT to INSURRECTION...
And...to be more exact? The Search for Spock is a far better movie than Insurrection, IMO....Khan and FC people go back and forth on as to which is the better of those two, I side with the KHANites....though FC is a good movie too
Rob
Scorpio
The torpedo mechanism in TWOK is a safety feature. Open door, pull out joystick to arm, press button to launch torpedo. It's there to prevent accidents.
The British nuclear sub 'Vanguard' has an even 'cheesier' (as you say) setup to launch its nukes. You unlock and open the safety door to the to the nuke trigger, which is LITERALLY a trigger - they have the butt of a Colt 1911 handgun, complete with trigger, which you pull to launch the nukes. I am not making this up.
The functions of the starships are modeled after naval vessels.
I'll tell you what submarines DON'T have, however - and that's a navigational joystick
RobertScorpio
Pariah
The torpedo mechanism in TWOK is a safety feature. Open door, pull out joystick to arm, press button to launch torpedo. It's there to prevent accidents.
The British nuclear sub 'Vanguard' has an even 'cheesier' (as you say) setup to launch its nukes. You unlock and open the safety door to the to the nuke trigger, which is LITERALLY a trigger - they have the butt of a Colt 1911 handgun, complete with trigger, which you pull to launch the nukes. I am not making this up.
The functions of the starships are modeled after naval vessels.
I'll tell you what submarines DON'T have, however - and that's a navigational joystick
Where I work, i get to go aboard Carriers and subs on a routine basis...I am still looking for the navigational joystick....
It was done for the 'little kiddies' out there, pure and simple. The plot of Insurrection would have been great for TV. But what it did was make non-fans who want to see a movie wonder why they are being forced to pay big bucks for what would have been a 'filler' episode...
Rob
true, but TFF was riding off the success of TVH (very good at the box office) while NEM was riding off the 'success' of INS
Insurrection is a snoozefest for sure. IIRC, Marina Sirtis dozed off at the premiere... altho she has said that she 'never' watches completed tng episodes
Seriously? Data as a flotation device? Have you noticed your boobs getting firmer? SIX hacky sacks at once! How amazing! The Klingon pimple? ect. ect. This movie sucked like nascar, and was about as "mature and cerebral". Insurrection did indeed begin the slow death of the franchise. Nemisis and Enterprise just finished it off. Christ what were they thinking!? A tng/dominion war movie would have been much cooler if done well, and probably kept trek alive a little longer.
I mildly liked Insurrection. It did Remind me of a 2 part episode. But I got a kick out of some of the comedy from the characters. The flotation device thing didn't make sence though considering The story Data and Laforge told about him sinking to the bottom of the lake and having to walk all the way back to shore. (I forget what episode that was.) But I agree with punkydrewster a Diminion thing wouldve been cool. But Dude I love NASCAR. Tony Stewart RULES!
I was 14 when FC came out, and I was obsessed with it, and all things Trek at that point.
When INS came out, even the younger version of me came out of the theatre disappointed. I agree that it was the beginning of the end for Berman-era Trek. But Insurrection, upon rewatching it, isn't as poor as Nemesis.
When INS came out, even the younger version of me came out of the theatre disappointed. I agree that it was the beginning of the end for Berman-era Trek. But Insurrection, upon rewatching it, isn't as poor as Nemesis.
Actually the "slow death" had begun much earlier, in 1992 when TNG's ratings peaked.
Yeah, drag TNG into the major plotline of a show nobody's watching. That'll put asses in the seats. Let's just put a little beanie that says "producer" on your head and call you Rick Berman.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Insurrection is better than Nemesis, I agree..but with expectations of the General public reinvigorated, that was a bad time for a slow moving episode that would barely pass as a mid season filler...
Rob
Insurrection was a TNG spirited story but by the very same token very episode like and so would not have maintained a movie audience. Even as an episode it would be treated as having high values but probably boring by many.
Adding a ridiculous ship weapon device to explode at the end for some action and supposed audience satisfaction does not cut the mustard really.
The humour is slightly jarring to a degree and much of it more understandable for a Trek fan but apparently in there to please non-Trek fans.
In many ways it was a good story but I don't think it works really as a movie. It did try to give the ensemble cast something to do but everything handed out to others asides Stewart and Spiner were the comedy relief spots.
Part of Insurrection's guilt is that it greatly reduced an ensemble cast down to Picard and Data focus which then Nemesis hammered.
And as a poster stated with the action lacking in Insurrection they went too boys with toys for the next movie Nemesis.
Adding a ridiculous ship weapon device to explode at the end for some action and supposed audience satisfaction does not cut the mustard really.
The humour is slightly jarring to a degree and much of it more understandable for a Trek fan but apparently in there to please non-Trek fans.
In many ways it was a good story but I don't think it works really as a movie. It did try to give the ensemble cast something to do but everything handed out to others asides Stewart and Spiner were the comedy relief spots.
Part of Insurrection's guilt is that it greatly reduced an ensemble cast down to Picard and Data focus which then Nemesis hammered.
And as a poster stated with the action lacking in Insurrection they went too boys with toys for the next movie Nemesis.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
The Prime Directive didn't apply. The Baku weren't natives or even truly a pre-warp culture.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
...and yet Picard thought he had to go in there, right in the middle of the Dominion war, and screw around with this totally inane plot. At a time of war you have to pick and chose your efforts. For example, during WW2, if Grenada had been invaded by whom ever do you really think FDR would have diverted any of the WW2 effort, let alone the Flagship of the military, to assist..I doubt it....
Rob Scorpio
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