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Everyone seems to have forgotten: how does Ramdha get to meet Soji ‘tomorrow’, when she’s out of action comatose in a bed?

Presumably she saw Soji in the visions on planet Aia (Grief World), but we know they are the memories of a dead alien species i.e. they are history not premonition. We also see Data/Lore’s face transition from the robot’s in the admonition vision. So, how can Soji (and Data/Lore) appear in the memories of a long dead species?

Most people think time travel, but there are few concrete theories. Here’s mine which also answers the above question and makes a few predictions.

We know Soji is way too clued up on the Borg to be normal (potential Soji origin story?) and Lore also spent time with the Borg, assembling his own army of Borg defectors. Therefore both may have access to time travel.

But that requires a cube, so perhaps Seven requisitions/assimilates the remaining XBs on the cube (including Ramdha - taking her out of coma) to create a skeleton crew which she uses to help Picard. This could potentially put Ramdha and Soji in touch, and give Soji access to time travel in order to keep a consistent time line with her (and Data/Lore) being enshrined in the memories of that species.

As to why she would want/need to travel back in time to visit that species…if she can learn about what causes the Seb-Cheneb (Destroyer) to appear, then she knows how to prevent those conditions happening in her timeline, or she can work out a way to defeat it, and thereby secure a safe future for her ‘species’.

Given the Zhat Vash seem to be a secret society of women, then Narek can’t be a member. Although he may be working with Zhat Vash, it’s also possible that he doesn’t realise his sister is a member or that he knows about Oh. From this perspective Narissa may be a double agent and he may simply be Tal Shiar (who also want to kill synths as they wiped out Maddox’s lab in ep.5).

This could be important as without undergoing the ZV initiation ceremony, his verve may not be as strong as Narissa’s in the same way that Jurati is now persuaded not to kill Soji, thus Narek might also not (especially as he is in love with her). This would setup a lovely plot twist of sister vs brother.

Predictions:
  • Soji and Narek join forces and use Seven’s cube to time travel back to the first arrival of the Seb-Cheneb (with or without Picard)....season 2?
  • Lore will come back as the bad guy...there has been no villain thus far and Lore is properly evil.
  • In her attempt to learn about/stop the Seb-Cheneb appearing in the past, she actually makes it happen, thus bringing true Ramdha's statement that she is Seb-Cheneb or does she have free-will to break the paradox and create a new timeline where history does not repeat itself?
  • The story will hinge on free-will, because that’s the differentiator between robots and sentient life. The fate of robots is determined by their programming, but if Soji is truly sentient, then even if she comes from Lore (rather than Data) she also has the free-agency to decide her own fate and stop the Seb-Cheneb returning.
 
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I reckon it will turn out that this robot planet created the Borg.

There has to be more to the Borg storyline than just a place for Soji to work.
 
It's possible - Guinan suggested the Borg have "been developing for thousands of centuries" which could fit with the 200-300k year old nature of the Adminition. But the VOY ep Dragon's Teeth had aliens who'd been in stasis a scant 900 years saying that the Borg were much less formidable in their day, which would hint at either a more recent origin OR the Borg really slacked off for a looooong time.
 
They don't. Chabon says the images are those seen by modern minds. The Admonition is not a recording of set images.
Sounds like relativism to me (i.e. nonsense). Where's he quoted as saying that? If that's true, then how did Ramdha recognise Soji and know she was a twin?
 
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It's possible - Guinan suggested the Borg have "been developing for thousands of centuries" which could fit with the 200-300k year old nature of the Adminition. But the VOY ep Dragon's Teeth had aliens who'd been in stasis a scant 900 years saying that the Borg were much less formidable in their day, which would hint at either a more recent origin OR the Borg really slacked off for a looooong time.

***cough*** Retcon ***cough***
 
It's possible - Guinan suggested the Borg have "been developing for thousands of centuries" which could fit with the 200-300k year old nature of the Adminition. But the VOY ep Dragon's Teeth had aliens who'd been in stasis a scant 900 years saying that the Borg were much less formidable in their day, which would hint at either a more recent origin OR the Borg really slacked off for a looooong time.

The Borg could have assimilated (or whatever they did in the early days) everyone with tech 200,000 years ago, then stagnated for a long time before the younger races caught up so they could start again.
 
Because Soji/Asha is part of what she saw, I presume.
That’s a circular argument - it completely avoids answering the question. See here:
Q. How come Soji was in an ancient vision?
A. Because Ramdha saw her in the vision.
 
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That’s a circular argument - it completely avoids answering the question.
How is it circular? Ramdha saw the face of Soji in her version of the Admonition. Then recognized her later when she saw her in person.

Q. How come Soji was in an ancient vision?
Because, as I said, the Admonition is not a recording that gets played whenever someone takes part. It is an experience that changes depending on what era you are in when you undergo it.
 
So where did the information about Soji's appearance come from? You say it wasn't coded into the Admonition itself, but since Ramdha hadn't met Soji yet...
 
The Borg could have assimilated (or whatever they did in the early days) everyone with tech 200,000 years ago, then stagnated for a long time before the younger races caught up so they could start again.

Another possibility might be that the Borg had previously been big and ancient but that, 900 years ago, they were recovering from near-annihilation.
 
Why are we assuming that Ramdha specifically saw Soji's image during her interaction with the Admonition, it could have come from her Borg assimilation later on.

As far as I can remember, we only saw Data's visage not Soji/Dahj.

The indication being that the Borg Cube Ramdha was part of had encountered the Synths before.
(and apparently weren't able to assimilate them)
 
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It's possible - Guinan suggested the Borg have "been developing for thousands of centuries" which could fit with the 200-300k year old nature of the Adminition. But the VOY ep Dragon's Teeth had aliens who'd been in stasis a scant 900 years saying that the Borg were much less formidable in their day, which would hint at either a more recent origin OR the Borg really slacked off for a looooong time.

Another possibility might be that the Borg had previously been big and ancient but that, 900 years ago, they were recovering from near-annihilation.

Or then there's nothing to it. Mere fifty years before the events, mankind believed the Borg didn't even exist. Or that they were something akin to Bigfoot - misunderstood and exaggerated, if real at all.

Nobody has the Borg's number right on the first go. The Waadvaur simply were too stupid and provincial to see the big picture, thinking that the presence of a handful of Borg-conquered planets within their sphere of knowledge made them bit players. As far as we can tell, the Brg simply aren't all that interested in conventional conquest. If anything, they delight in feeding rope to their victims, so that those develop new and shiny means of resisting, delicious things for the Collective to harvest when the time finally comes.

The Borg are everywhere in VOY. And what they do everywhere is consistent with them always having been there: they hide, they goad, they occasionally strike, and they never get properly understood until it's way too late.

Now, we still know squat about Borg past and origin. But like Cybermen in Doctor Who, they appear rather inevitable. Machine-augmented life is bound to emerge, and then to merge, perhaps until there is only one form left. Even if that one form is an all-encompassing and perhaps ever-changing mass of cyborgness. Something like the Advanced Synths of PIC would be a mere blink-and-you-miss-it quick snack for this entity, unlikely to be either the origin or the endpoint...

Timo Saloniemi
 
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