Independence Day - Resurgence

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  1. Gingerbread Demon

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    Well White House Down and Olympus Has Fallen are basically the same movie. And it was heavily damaged in both of them.

    Actually I find given the choice White House Down was the better of the two.
     
  2. Paul Weaver

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    White olympus house has fallen down.

    Which one had the really annoying kid that saved the day, and which one had the annoying kid who got kicked out early on?
     
  3. Locutus of Bored

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    White House Down had Charming Tater's kid who was, like all children in disaster/monster movies, an expert on something relevant to the plot (in this case White House history) and wound up saving the White House from aerial bombing by running outside waving the flag.

    Olympus Has Fallen had Leonidas get the President's son outside to safety quickly so he couldn't be used as a hostage to make POTUS give up his code.
     
  4. Mr Light

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    I actually really liked White House Down. It was stupid and LCD, but so was ID4 ;-)
     
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  5. Hartzilla2007

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    And probably had the more plausible bad guy plan.
     
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  6. Gingerbread Demon

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    Yeah the whole North Korea plot from the other movie just seemed way too OTT even for a popcorn movie.

    And that gunship. How the hell didn't that get shot down entering US airspace?
     
  7. Skywalker

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    I prefer Olympus Has Fallen. The plot is bonkers but IMO the action and the directing are much better than in White House Down, and I find Gerard Butler a more credible action hero than Channing Tatum.
     
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  8. Hartzilla2007

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    And then there is the system that gives the US government the ability to obliterate the entire country, who the fuck thought that was a good idea?
     
  9. Gingerbread Demon

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    I must have missed that part. What was that?
     
  10. Hartzilla2007

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    The apparent endgame of the bad guy's plan was to use codes gotten from the president and two other guys to access a system called Cerberus that would allow him to detonate every nuke the US has in the silos turning the country into an irradiated wasteland.

    Why someone thought having such a system was a good idea is beyond me.
     
  11. bigdaddy

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    London Has Fallen comes out next month. :-D
     
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  12. Gingerbread Demon

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    OK I must have totally missed that part.

    I guess the writer thought that might have been a cool plot device. If the country was to be ever lost to an enemy it's a last minute "fuck you" to the invaders.
     
  13. Skywalker

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    Wasn't it more like the system was just meant to access the nuclear weapons so they could be launched in an emergency situation? And the bad guy planned to use that access to detonate them inside their silos, rather than launch them as intended.
     
  14. theenglish

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    Except that such a system would never have been placed in the same spot that was the first target in an enemy attack.
     
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  15. Locutus of Bored

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    Yeah, I think it was a means of detonating the ICBMs in flight in case one of them veered off course during a test, was fired accidentally, or was hijacked by an enemy. Only the Korean nationalist guy decided to use it to detonate them in the silos.

    But still, if you're worried about an enemy possibly taking over one of your nukes, you don't create a system that would allow them to take over all of them instead.

    Regardless of the ludicrous plot, I do think Olympus Has Fallen is the better movie. I just can't take Channel Totem seriously.
     
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  16. Gingerbread Demon

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    Good point.
     
  17. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Charming Tater...Channel Totem...fill an entire thread with Locutus' nicknames for the guy = win. :techman:
     
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    Every time I see him in a movie his acting is so bad that I think he should have stayed in the gay-for-pay stripper business, maybe do some porn.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Locutus should create a Channing Tatum Nickname Generator, much like the Benedict Cumberbatch one. :)
     
  20. JarodRussell

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    White House Down was a better Die Hard 4 than Die Hard 4. Confined space, classical music, individual and distinct bad guys, the white vest, elevators, basements, heck there is even a christmas reference. I enjoyed it very much, and it was much better than Olympus Has Fallen.


    My interest in Independence Day 2 is kinda declining, for two reasons mostly:
    David Arnold does not return, instead Harald Kloser is doing the score. And that is extremely disappointing, given that Independence Day is one of the best film scores in the last 20 years.

    Then it looks to me that the whole alternate history idea has not been followed that much. Washington D.C and London seem to have been rebuilt just as they are today, and Dubai has apparently evolved in the last 20 years just as in real life. That's quite lazy.

    And maybe a third reason: the visual effects look much more artificial than in the original. Yeah, they are bigger, and they are more complex with lots of fluid and procedural simulations, but to me personally, the effects from the 90s look better.

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    And then the effect of continents breaking up and buildings breaking to pieces is not really new. 2012, Abramstrek 2, Force Awakens, Hobbit, Transformers, ... Whilst in the original, the eye candy was truly original and had not been done before.

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    So in essence, it's more of the same, just bigger, and looks a lot more artificial/computer generated.
     
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