In Star Trek Beyond. Crew Survival

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Rayleo02, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    In his pep talk, Kirk appeared to dismiss the advanced hardware of his ship and instead declare his expert crew the unique asset that allowed him to brave the Rubble Nebula. He didn't really explicate Sulu, but we could well read this into those lines.

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  2. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    All indications were that the Swarm grabbed every escape pod (and turbocar) that escaped the ship. The only people who escaped custody were Scotty (who was hidden in a weapon the Swarm was already set to avoid), Spock and McCoy (who were captured, but were able to commandeer the Swarm ship that got them, and Kirk, Chekov, and Kalara, who ejected from the saucer after the Swarm had broken off rather than burn up with the wreckage of the ship (if they'd left a few moments earlier, they would've been grabbed like Sulu).
     
  3. Tenacity

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    So, whatever the Enterprise's compliment was at the beginning of the attack, the relatively small number of Starfleet we saw on the planet were the total number of survivors?
     
  4. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I doubt it.
     
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    Probably some Vulcan evacuation protocol...they don't have time to argue the morality and ethics of it all. (Though if this were a TOS episode and you subbed out the Vulcans with an alien of the week...time would magically slow down to allow them to do so. Or they'd take precious time they didn't really have.)
     
  7. Timo

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    Fleeing from Vulcan ought to have been impossible till the very last moment...

    1) When Nero was drilling, he couldn't let any ships take off lest they destroy his vulnerable drill.
    2) Even before that, he could not let anybody fly outside the range of his jamming and issue a genuine call for help.
    3) Leaving Vulcan should not occur to the Vulcans anyway - how could they know they were in danger, with Nero jamming the comms, and with the "seismic disturbances" almost unnoticeable by local standards?

    The initial call for help was obviously faked by Nero, to lure in the ships that defended Earth. When the call went out, there were no seismic disturbances yet, as Nero had not started drilling yet.

    We don't know how Nero prevented Vulcan ships from flying. He had little in the way of weapons, and he was anchored low on one side of the planet, with the horizons stopping him from affecting the rest of the planet much (but not hindering Vulcans in any way). Yet somehow Nero succeeded...

    Evacuation could only begin right around the time Spock saved the Elders. At that point, Nero had stopped jamming, and had apparently fled altogether. But now Spock was anchored over one spot of the planet - the hind end of nowhere where the Elders hid (close to the drilling site and the Sarek mansion, since Amanda was there, too). He could do little but tell the rest of the Vulcans to evacuate themselves.

    Which they probably did, to the best of their ability. Surely they had more ships and transporters than Spock did! But getting them to believe leaving was a good idea would take time...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  8. lawman

    lawman Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    You are applying much more logic to the plot of ST09 than its actual writers ever did...
     
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  9. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yet funnily we end up in the same spot. Such as finding it plausible that few Vulcans survived, or that the heroes were not to blame...

    It's not a bad movie. And not particularly illogical or contradictory or even at odds with preceding Star Trek, despite possible appearances. Nor is Beyond, amazingly enough. (Now if we could just shed this Curse of Even-Numbered Movies...)

    Timo Saloniemi